Life After Trump

Each party is responsible for its nomination process. So do I think Republicans will change their nomination process? NO. It ain't happening. The US federal government isn't involved in party nominations. Each political party makes its own nominating rules. Do I think Republicans will learn from this experience? NO. Learning isn't something which comes easily to Republicans. Republicans don't need bipartisan support to change their nomination process. Republicans can change their rules without the consent of any other political party.

And as previously noted, the problem really isn't the nomination process, it's the right wing entertainment industry which appeals to the Republican base and keeps Republicans dumb and angry. The US had something called the, "Fairness Doctrine" which required broadcasters to present all issues of national importance fairly and honestly. Republicans killed that law, and since then Republicans have become more and more extreme with each passing year, because they have their own set of "facts', i.e. fictions. Owing to the Republican entertainment industry Republicans never need to confront an inconvenient truth. Political ideology becomes a religion, and you know how difficult it is to reason with a religious zealot. It's impossible, and so it is with the American right wing.
I think my point may have been misunderstood.. sorry about that...

The electoral laws would have to be changed to ensure that the candidates nominated met a minimum requirement. ( eg. a bankrupt can not apply for nomination regardless of party allegiance. )
The very idea that a person who has been bankrupted 6 times may become one of the most influential members of the global financial/banking community is outrageous when you think on it..

edit: And of course some requirement that a candidate can use a calendar and get the election date correct. :)
 
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Do you think the USA may learn from this experience and put in place a nomination system that prevents such a folly and embarrassment in the future?

Yes and no. You'll even see evidence of it, but by and large whatever effect you might notice in some people is subject to the sorts of averaging effects that get us into these problems in the first place.

The question I can't quite figure has to do with the "conservative brain". It's just a matter of understanding the functional thematics of prioritization schemes, comparative comparisons, and so on. I mean, you know, we look at other people through very general lenses even when we're attempting granular analysis.

Effectively, though, I can't understand what manner of communication is required to compel conservatives I've known over the years to do anything but affirm themselves. Unfortunately, some manner of traumatizing demand for reprioritization is about the only thing I've ever seen disrupt the trend.

There's a lot more to it, of course; it's just that self-reporting behavioral studies have certain functional limitations that present an excellent juxtaposition: Figuring out what's going on with our conservative neighbors requires understanding what they're saying, because at the valence of dysfunction we're discussing, they don't actually know what they're saying―consider the idea of a self-reporting study surveying subjects pathologically unable to answer the questions accurately.

I'm not saying they will always lie. But if the question is what color are your eyes, and the answer is, "Firecrackers, olive oil and two midgets dancing on a snooker table", interpreting the data will be something of a challenge.

(perhaps if he is damaging enough to his own party there may be bipartisan support generated for changing the rules that disqualify someone from becoming president.)

One of the reasons we don't do certain things is that we don't trust each other.

It's hard to explain, but consider for instance that less and less of what we buy is what it actually is.

Not quite a joke: In the U.S., it is still easy enough to find a car with a manual transmission and clutch in it, but the manufacturers would very much like to get rid of them. It's easier to mount all the technology on other transmissions. The result is that you, the driver, no longer have that same connection to the road; your electric clutch will drop in your paddle-shifted "manual" transmission as it pleases; your automatic transmission will do whatever it wants. Try powering out of a slide with a transmission that will decide for you when you need drive to the wheels. Switch tracks: Add in that we used to have cars that got forty to fifty miles to the gallon, and now it's a fight trying to get the manufacturers to thirty-five. What happened is that we looked at all that fuel efficiency and decided to use it up. At first it was quick-defrost and seat warmers. Now it's computer systems. Recent developments have convinced me: I'm not buying a mobile phone, but a point-of-sale and advertising suite mounted on a pseudotelephonic form factor. The family vehicle I saw advertised during an American football game only informs me that we no longer buy cars, but, rather, mobile communication devices mounted on an automotive form factor, a thirty-thousand dollar iPad or Galaxy or Surface, with a V-6 and seating for eight.

Okay, so, these are our priorities. Great.

Here's why it's not a digression: Do I want these people tinkering with the Constitution? Tune up the First Amendment? I saw that one around Sciforums, the other day. Natural-born citizenship, free speech, voting rights, basic equality, government obligation to domestic tranquility; there's quite a lot some people want to edit out of the Constitution, and I would, at this time, remind once again of the JASTA debacle↗ to remind how easy it is for Americans to get so worked up about an issue as to go and do something stupid and then cry about the damage. And, hell, besides, it's kind of circular: We're talking about the people who nominated Donald Trump.

The Constitution is, of course, but an example; it's also the Supreme Law of the Land and likely, after we've fought it out in legislatures and ballot boxes and courtrooms, what will have to change.

Indeed, the thing is that people need to change, and that's where it all gets stupidly tragic. Consider a future, maybe fifty to a hundred years out, in which "Christians" are an economically disempowered group largely because they holed up in communities of conscience and kept their kids out of the rest of the world, with such a result that the rising generation reaches college at an inherent disadvantage. (It's an utter mess↗, to be honest.) Setting aside the challenges of caring for them―especially if they somehow manage to fulfill, as they often do, anyway, their superstitions about people in need of societal welfare assistance―it's mostly a melodramatic notion to illustrate a more dystopic result. Americans can be incredibly stubborn and stupid, and in this case what needs to change is the traditional heart of our furious obstinance.

(Edit: Fix tags, 12 Oct. 2016, 22.41 PDT)
 
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In time I believe that Trump will fade into oblivion, gone and forgotten: Let's just hope it happens well before he has time to do too much damage.
I doubt. Ok, Trump himself can easily go away. But the problem that the US-style managed democracy no longer works as before will not go away. Because this problem is one of distrust of the establishment as a whole, and especially of the mass media which sell them. And this general problem is one for the democrats too.
 
The very idea that a person who has been bankrupted 6 times may become one of the most influential members of the global financial/banking community is outrageous when you think on it.
Not really. The idea to let bankrupt banks really go bankrupt is a good one. It would make the next big crisis heavy but much shorter.
 
Not really. The idea to let bankrupt banks really go bankrupt is a good one. It would make the next big crisis heavy but much shorter.
Perhaps you have interpreted the post incorrectly?
  • Trump is not a bank!
  • Trump has bankrupted 6 times (apparently)
  • A President Trump would be most influential to global financial markets.
  • His nomination for president should be illegal IMO. (demonstrably financially incompetent)
 
Not really. The idea to let bankrupt banks really go bankrupt is a good one. It would make the next big crisis heavy but much shorter.
Depends on how you do it. If you don't protect or cover for the customers and people otherwise taken down by the big banks, which would include the small banks, you can get long term (longer than an adult human life) ruin - as the American Great Depression proved to Americans, as well as the many historical examples (Spain, Netherlands, the countries coming out of the Soviet Empire, etc.)
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His nomination for president should be illegal IMO. (demonstrably financially incompetent)
There has been in America almost no visible correlation between financial success and competence in business and political competence in Congress or the Presidency. So far.
 
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There has been in America almost no visible correlation between financial success and competence in business and political competence in Congress or the Presidency. So far.
Perhaps if one was bankrupt once or even at a stretch twice but 6 times can only happen if the owners where most likely deliberately defrauding their creditors. He even admits with "pride" he was gaming the bankruptcy system if I am not mistaken.
The issue is about integrity, honesty, and trust... the ability to honor his promises, all qualities that appear to be seriously lacking in this instance.
 
I don't think bankruptcy has that much to do with the issues at hand. Businesses take chances and like them or not bankruptcy laws are there to encourage risk taking. Trump owns a lot of businesses so 6 bankruptcies all together may not mean much.

It's his lack of emotional maturity, lack of experience, and judgement that people should be concerned with. Just as with Clinton, it's legitimate not to like her, to not agree with her policies, or whatever but focusing on Benghazi or on emails is pretty much taking one's eye off the ball.
 
I don't think bankruptcy has that much to do with the issues at hand. Businesses take chances and like them or not bankruptcy laws are there to encourage risk taking. Trump owns a lot of businesses so 6 bankruptcies all together may not mean much.

It's his lack of emotional maturity, lack of experience, and judgement that people should be concerned with. Just as with Clinton, it's legitimate not to like her, to not agree with her policies, or whatever but focusing on Benghazi or on emails is pretty much taking one's eye off the ball.

Well according to recent reports the so called ball is about to change. Election! What election! Oh that election....
 
Perhaps you have interpreted the post incorrectly?
  • Trump is not a bank!
  • Trump has bankrupted 6 times (apparently)
That the intention of the post was quite different was, of course, obvious ;-)

But as far as I know, it was not Trump himself, but some firms which he has controlled, which have gone bankrupt. If these firms have been banks or not I don't know. So, these two points seem irrelevant in this connection. Going bankrupt as part of a cheat is, of course, common, but simply to have several firms doing high risk speculations, with some of them going bankrupt, seems not very problematic.

but focusing on Benghazi or on emails is pretty much taking one's eye off the ball.
In comparison with the whole Libya and Syria wars this is, of course, nothing.
 
Well according to recent reports the so called ball is about to change. Election! What election! Oh that election....
Is this post supposed to make sense? :) According to recent reports the so called ball is about to change?

Yes, we all realize that there is an election coming up. What does that have to do with my point which was that some are focusing on the trivia rather than the substance as it relates to both Trump and Clinton.

Your point is ...there is an election?
 
Is this post supposed to make sense? :) According to recent reports the so called ball is about to change?

Yes, we all realize that there is an election coming up. What does that have to do with my point which was that some are focusing on the trivia rather than the substance as it relates to both Trump and Clinton.

Your point is ...there is an election?
Haven't read the news about Putin calling all Russian expats and families back to Russia "urgently"?
Try this one..
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-officials-fly-home-relatives-fears-world-war
"RUSSIA’S Vladimir Putin has issued an emergency decree that all officials urgently repatriate any family members living abroad amid fears the world is about to be plunged into a new global conflict."

or a few dozen other sources...

an election may indeed be quite trivial if the worst comes to worst.
 
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But as far as I know, it was not Trump himself, but some firms which he has controlled, which have gone bankrupt. If these firms have been banks or not I don't know. So, these two points seem irrelevant in this connection. Going bankrupt as part of a cheat is, of course, common, but simply to have several firms doing high risk speculations, with some of them going bankrupt, seems not very problematic.
it should be very problematic...and that's my point...
 
What happens to the republican party, depends on whether Trump wins the election or not. If Hillary wins, nothing will change, because both parties are beholden to the donor class, who buy elections with money and misinformation. The Republicans, against Trump, are doing what the donor class wants. If Hillary wins, in spite of all her corruption and incompetence, as the e-mail dumb shows, the country is in big trouble. She will make things worse, to help herself and her party, knowing her base condones her corruption, and the donors seem to be want this to happen.

The Russians are helping Trump. The reason is, the Russians are afraid of the corruption that is occurring in America. America used to be seen as country of character on the world stage, where the freedom of press, freedom of speech and the three branches of government, helped to create checks and balances. Now, so many Americans; democrats, are willing to sell they souls and look the other way as these checks and balances are corrupted. This does not extrapolate into a safe and secure world. If corrupt Hillary wins, after she did a world money gathering tour as Secretary of State, what will she expect as president, as money tribute?

Picture if the top superpower of the world, in both military and economics, became openly corrupt, where even the press no longer does its job of being objective and impartial to truth. Instead it becomes a propaganda wing for the leadership of a corrupt world super power. Countries like Russia are starting to build their defenses against the next wave of Hillary foreign policy, which will destabilize the world even more.

Let me asked the Democrats, why they don't see anything wrong with the press, using the freedom to press, to act like a propaganda wing for the democratic party? The e-mail dump shows this unholy alliance. Nixon was no way near Hillary in terms of corruption. Why aren't the liberals up in arms, now, like they were against Nixon? Has the party and the propaganda wing appeased you with bribes; freebies? Or are feminized men, two faced?

What is going to happen, are the independents and those who don't normally vote, will come out to vote. The religious vote will also turn out. They see the corruption in both parties, but especially in the Democratic party. They see the corrupt media distraction away from the criminal record of Hilary. They also see Hillary taking victory laps, as though she is above the law.

This silent majority is not speaking out in the polls, because of the social stigma that the propaganda machine is creating. If you say you are pro-Trump you take more crap, than if you say you are for Hillary. There a conditioning going on that works on the morons. These people are not willing to dumb down and place tabloid scandals, ahead of corruption. They remain silent. These people want their country back, from the criminal class. They will turn out on high numbers on election day. Those who say they will vote for Hillary will stay home, since they will assume the fix is in. Like with Bernie Sanders, even of he wins the vote, the fix was in, so why bother.

After Trump wins, the criminal class in both parties will be under the microscope with many impeached. Hillary will have a special investigator, who will put her in jail. Those who supported the criminal class, will run and hide, less they become prosecuted. With the head chopped of the snake, the Liberal corruption and propaganda machine will be dismantled, setting back the party of division and corruption, many generations. Then the country will return to one of character, with other countries feeling more insecure in the world.
 
What happens to the republican party, depends on whether Trump wins the election or not. If Hillary wins, nothing will change, because both parties are beholden to the donor class, who buy elections with money and misinformation. The Republicans, against Trump, are doing what the donor class wants. If Hillary wins, in spite of all her corruption and incompetence, as the e-mail dumb shows, the country is in big trouble. She will make things worse, to help herself and her party, knowing her base condones her corruption, and the donors seem to be want this to happen.

The Russians are helping Trump. The reason is, the Russians are afraid of the corruption that is occurring in America. America used to be seen as country of character on the world stage, where the freedom of press, freedom of speech and the three branches of government, helped to create checks and balances. Now, so many Americans; democrats, are willing to sell they souls and look the other way as these checks and balances are corrupted. This does not extrapolate into a safe and secure world. If corrupt Hillary wins, after she did a world money gathering tour as Secretary of State, what will she expect as president, as money tribute?

Picture if the top superpower of the world, in both military and economics, became openly corrupt, where even the press no longer does its job of being objective and impartial to truth. Instead it becomes a propaganda wing for the leadership of a corrupt world super power. Countries like Russia are starting to build their defenses against the next wave of Hillary foreign policy, which will destabilize the world even more.

Let me asked the Democrats, why they don't see anything wrong with the press, using the freedom to press, to act like a propaganda wing for the democratic party? The e-mail dump shows this unholy alliance. Nixon was no way near Hillary in terms of corruption. Why aren't the liberals up in arms, now, like they were against Nixon? Has the party and the propaganda wing appeased you with bribes; freebies? Or are feminized men, two faced?

What is going to happen, are the independents and those who don't normally vote, will come out to vote. The religious vote will also turn out. They see the corruption in both parties, but especially in the Democratic party. They see the corrupt media distraction away from the criminal record of Hilary. They also see Hillary taking victory laps, as though she is above the law.

This silent majority is not speaking out in the polls, because of the social stigma that the propaganda machine is creating. If you say you are pro-Trump you take more crap, than if you say you are for Hillary. There a conditioning going on that works on the morons. These people are not willing to dumb down and place tabloid scandals, ahead of corruption. They remain silent. These people want their country back, from the criminal class. They will turn out on high numbers on election day. Those who say they will vote for Hillary will stay home, since they will assume the fix is in. Lie with Bernie Sanders, even of you win, the fix is in and this will not matter.

After Trump wins, the criminal class in both parties will be under the microscope with many impeached. Hillary will have a special investigator, who will put her in jail. Those who supported the criminal class, will run and hide, less they become prosecuted. With the head chopped of the snake, the Liberal corruption and propaganda machine will be dismantled, setting back the party of division and corruption, many generations. Then the country will return to one of character, with other countries feeling more insecure in the world. Even ISIS is active because of Democratic party corruption and will lose its life when the head of the mother snake is severed.
all this about a man who can't even get the election date correct... you're kidding?
 
To be totally honest... right now, during this time of escalating tension between Russia and the USA I am really glad Obama is at the helm...
It doesn't matter whether he be Democrat, Republican or Independent...
 
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Haven't read the news about Putin calling all Russian expats and families back to Russia "urgently"?
Try this one..
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-officials-fly-home-relatives-fears-world-war
"RUSSIA’S Vladimir Putin has issued an emergency decree that all officials urgently repatriate any family members living abroad amid fears the world is about to be plunged into a new global conflict."

or a few dozen other sources...

an election may indeed be quite trivial if the worst comes to worst.
Well, it wasn't an emergency decree. It was an informal request, prompted by internal concerns of special treatment of the Russian elite. Putin's doing a bit of window dressing.

http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/12/putin-urging-russian-officials-to-return/
 
Is this post supposed to make sense? :) According to recent reports the so called ball is about to change?

Yes, we all realize that there is an election coming up. What does that have to do with my point which was that some are focusing on the trivia rather than the substance as it relates to both Trump and Clinton.

Your point is ...there is an election?
Some people always focus on trivia. That's always the case. But Trump's business record isn't trivia. Trump has made his business record a center point of his election. His business record clearly demonstrates his decision making and management abilities. That's why Trump's business record, which includes his bankruptcies, is relevant. And Trump's business record his abysmal. Over the course of decades, the man has made the same mistakes over and over again, and he has repeatedly gone bankrupt as a result.

Trump's business record and management abilities or lack thereof isn't trivia. It's substance.
 
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