Founder, Discoverer, Scientist, Researcher and Author of the new Intelligent Design <id> and the dis

Nice to see your nonsense finally shifted, although I believe it should still be two rungs further down.

In the mean time, please absorb the following intelligent quotes......

Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof.
:Ashley Montague:

Metaphysics is a dark ocean without shores or lighthouse, strewn with many a philosophic wreck.
Immanuel Kant
Science is certain since we can even use math for them. Math is certain since every answer in math is numbered. And if the origin topics are not certain, then, they are NOT origins at all and not science!
 
Remember that you are talking "life" in biology. Can you really show that "life" appear with no intelligence? What test can you show?
I feel comfortable with the idea that the generated living molecule that can replicate itself, is an initial form of intelligence, and that intelligence is compounded through the evolutionary process.
 
I feel comfortable with the idea that the generated living molecule that can replicate itself, is an initial form of intelligence, and that intelligence is compounded through the evolutionary process.
Idea is good, no problem but we have now 60+ definitions of intelligence. It is a mess! ToE had messed the topic of intelligence and you want to add more and mess it more??
 
Idea is good, no problem but we have now 60+ definitions of intelligence. It is a mess! ToE had messed the topic of intelligence and you want to add more and mess it more??
I'm sure that 60+ forms of intelligence is not incompatible with the possibilities of the invariant natural laws :).
 
Science is certain since we can even use math for them.
Utter crap!
We have continued evidence everyday that science is not certain, just as inferred in the quote.
Maths is simply the language of Physics/Science, nothing more , nothing less.


Math is certain since every answer in math is numbered. And if the origin topics are not certain, then, they are NOT origins at all and not science!
Please see previous answer above and rectify your ignorance.

Philosophy of science is about as useful to scientists as ornithology is to birds.
:Richard Feynman:
 
Nature cannot make a spherical shape? Is your Earth flar? What causes the seasons? How many time zones?
 
I'm sure that 60+ forms of intelligence is not incompatible with the possibilities of the invariant natural laws :).
That is why you need to clear that mess caused by ToE! One topic with 60+ definitions? Are you kidding me? What if half of them will be used to calculate IQ? WTF! Lol! As you can see that ToE had messed that topic! Oh please, don't add your version!
 
Test time.

For each of these 12 objects, state if it is “intellen” or not and list the reason why, or the reason why you can't tell.
• A sleeping fox.
• A fox, currently the object of pursuit in a fox hunt.
• An electron in a piece of copper wire.
• A 6-year-old child in Japan who only knows the Khoekhoe language.
• An irregular meteorite between 100 and 150 grams.
• A smooth piece of sedimentary rock, like those found in rivers, between 100 and 150 grams.
• The dead body of Sir Isaac Newton.
• A nearly perfect sphere of marble between 100 and 150 grams.
• A nearly perfect sphere of glass of exactly 125 grams
• The planet Venus.
• A depression in an exposed piece of rock holding a smaller rock and dead plant material
• A raindrop, before it hits the ground.
Electron is intellen.
Notice that all these examples have electrons not all are intellen. Therefore something containing something intellen is not necessarily intellen. This property makes "intellen" look more like a value judgement than an objective scientific property of material things.
• A nearly perfect sphere of marble between 100 and 150 grams.
... Probably intellen since nature cannot make such shape.
...
• The planet Venus.
... Naturen
Notice that not all spheres are intellen, even though sphericity is the only listed reason for classifying the first as intellen. This behavior of the OP makes "intellen" look more like a value judgement than an objective scientific property of material things.
• A sleeping fox.
ME: Sleeping is naturen. Fox is intellen.
...
• The dead body of Sir Isaac Newton.
ME: Isaac Newton is intellen. Dead body is naturen.
Notice that organisms can flip-flop repeatedly between naturen and intellen until finally ending as naturen. Even now the exact border between life and death is one of local legal definition rather than objective science. This property makes "intellen" look more like a value judgement than an objective scientific property of material things.

• A depression in an exposed piece of rock holding a smaller rock and dead plant material
ME: Which X you wanted to study?
Notice no answer for the question where a possibly designed thing had no obvious purpose to the uninformed. Yet foxes, humans, electrons and spherical pieces of marble are immediately classed as "intellen" despite lack of teleological exposition. This behavior of the OP makes "intellen" look more like a value judgement than an objective scientific property of material things.

Therefore I conclude that the label "intellen" does not correspond to an objective scientific test and that attempting to base a scientific theory about it is premature.

That is why you need to clear that mess caused by ToE! One topic with 60+ definitions?
No part of the theory of biological evolution, which I prefer to call common descent via natural selection, requires a definition of intelligence because it does not assume teleology or intelligent intervention, just as Newton's law of universal gravitation does not assume angels hold the planets to their orbits and therefore doesn't need an exposition on the types and numbers of angels.
 
Utter crap!
We have continued evidence everyday that science is not certain, just as inferred in the quote.
Maths is simply the language of Physics/Science, nothing more , nothing less.



Please see previous answer above and rectify your ignorance.

Philosophy of science is about as useful to scientists as ornithology is to birds.
:Richard Feynman:
I understand that Math is the language but if the language is not certain, then, it is not science. And why we should accept that it is science?

And in the topic of origins, if you are not certain, then, it is religion since how can you test any X if you are not certain that X is really the X that you are talking about? Thus, certainty is science and uncertainty is religion.
 
I understand that Math is the language but if the language is not certain, then, it is not science. And why we should accept that it is science?

And in the topic of origins, if you are not certain, then, it is religion since how can you test any X if you are not certain that X is really the X that you are talking about? Thus, certainty is science and uncertainty is religion.


In my own words, all you are spouting is philosophical religious claptrap.
To quote another which seems to fit your persona quite admirably.......
"Philosophy consists very largely of one philosopher arguing that all others are jackasses. He usually proves it, and I should add that he also usually proves that he is one himself".
:Henry Louis Mencken:
 
That is why you need to clear that mess caused by ToE! One topic with 60+ definitions? Are you kidding me? What if half of them will be used to calculate IQ? WTF! Lol! As you can see that ToE had messed that topic! Oh please, don't add your version!
I won't, not here at least. One more point: Highly evolved intelligence generally is able to recognize other forms of intelligence, but all forms of intelligence might not necessarily appreciate the higher forms of intelligence. Good luck.
 
That is why you need to clear that mess caused by ToE!
What you conclude is your own business, but I suggest based on the religiously inspired, philosophical claptrap that you have preached so far, that your nonsensical philosophy will like all past religions, beliefs and myths, slowly fade into oblivion as will you return to whence you came...that is star dust.

I once heard it said that science is the cause of dead religions [or words to that effect] due to the mysteries that plagued early man and which science resolved.
Religions obvious sprouted due to man's inability to explain the world around him.
 
I'm aware about [the age of the Earth] but you should also be aware that the one who claimed that did not know the real intelligence, thus, I cannot believe and accept their science since whey they did not discover the real intelligence.
Why does somebody have to know about the real intelligence in order to work out the age of the Earth? Isn't that a question of geology, radioactive dating, or whatever?
 
The thing is, intelligence is not a theory. How does it work? What is the mechanism by which intelligence acts to lead to a species? What useful predictions can it make?
 
Let's have some fun with this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_falling

Is falling under the influence of gravity "intelligent?" How does a stone know which direction to fall under the influence of gravity? It has no instruments with which to find the geometric center of a planet, nor the mind of a geometer / mathematician to cipher it out. In a way, the stone is more intelligent than a geometer/mathematician because lacking intellect, it still knows precisely where it will fall. On the other hand, the geometer/mathematician, if asked which way he would fall if dropped, can only gesture in the general direction of down which may be imprecise depending on what orientation he is in when you drop him.
 
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