Famous Bigfoot encounters

Status
Not open for further replies.
Bells said:
Which is not supported in Ketchum's study and there is no proof that these labs conducted those studies. Instead, there is something you apparently are not aware of.. Those labs did not independently conduct the studies. Ketchum hired the labs to do the studies but it was she and her cohorts who conducted the experiments. Because that doesn't sound dodgy at all...

Instead, in a now defunct and deleted link for the study, Ketchum had advised:

The study, “Novel North American Hominins, Next Generation Sequencing of Three Whole Genomes and Associated Studies,” was conducted by a team of experts in genetics, forensics, imaging and pathology. The team, led by Dr. Melba S. Ketchum of DNA Diagnostics in Nacogdoches, TX, included Dr. Pat Wojtkiecicz, Director of the North Louisiana Criminalistics Laboratory; Ms. Aliece Watts of Integrated Forensic Laboratories in Euless, TX; Mr. David Spence, Trace Evidence Supervisor at Southwestern Institute of Forensic Sciences; Dr. Andreas K. Holzenburg, Director of the Microscopy & Imaging Center at Texas A&M University; Dr. Douglas G. Toler of Huguley Pathology Consultants in Fort Worth, TX; Dr. Thomas M. Prychitko of Helix Biological Laboratory in Michigan; Dr. Fan Zhang of the University of North Texas Health Science Center; and Sarah Bollinger, Ray Shoulders, and Ryan Smith of DNA Diagnostics.

Mitochondrial whole genomes were consistent with modern humans. In contrast, novel data were obtained when nuclear DNA was sequenced. Next generation whole genome sequencing was performed on three samples. Phylogeny trees generated showed homology to human chromosome 11 and to primate sequences. The data indicates that the Sasquatch has human mitochondrial DNA but possesses nuclear DNA that is a structural mosaic consisting of human and novel non-human DNA.​

Note the names of the labs and people connected to them. But most importantly, it is how those labs were used and by whom in the study:

Dr. Ketchum used the following for hire laboratories in a BLIND STUDY of the DNA:

"The following laboratories provided sequencing and analysis of samples in the study on a work for hire basis and were not initially told the origin of the samples being tested until after the samples were tested:"

Family Tree DNA Genomics Research Center,
1445 North Loop West, Suite 820, Houston, TX 77008

SeqWright, Inc.,
2575 W. Bellfort St. Suite 2001, Houston, TX 77054

UT Southwestern Medical Center
6000 Harry Hines Blvd. NA7.116, Dallas, TX 75235-9093

USC Norris Comprehensive Cancer Center
1441 Eastlake Avenue, Los Angeles, CA 90033

Texas A&M University, Microscopy & Imaging Center, Department of Biology and Department of Biochemistry & Biophysics,
College Station, TX 77843-2257

Texas Veterinary Medical Diagnostic Laboratory, College of Veterinary Medicine
Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas 77843

Southwestern Institute of Forensic Sciences
2355 North Stemmons Fwy., Dallas, TX 75207

The authors that contributed to the paper and what area they helped in:

Dr. Ketchum, Dr. Pat Wojtkiecicz, David Spence, Dr. Andreas K. Holzenburg, Sarah Bollinger, Ray Shoulders, and Ryan Smith. performed experiments.

Dr. Ketchum and Dr. Fan Zhang analyzed the genetic data.

Dr. Ketchum., Aliece Watts, and Dr. Pat Wojtkiecicz wrote and edited the manuscript.

Dr. Andreas K. Holzenburg analyzed and wrote the EM portion of the manuscript.

David Spence analyzed and wrote the hair analysis portion of the manuscript.

Dr. Douglas G. Toler analyzed and wrote the histopathology portion of the manuscript.

Aliece Watts. also researched pertinent additions to the manuscript and helped with data collection.

Dr. Ketchum distributed samples, collected and combined data from the blind studies.​


Ketchum and her cohorts hired the labs and performed the experiments themselves.

The co-authors and those who performed the experiments are connected to the labs themselves and to Ketchum. For example, Andreas Holzenburg:

Dr. Andreas Holzenburg
Director, Professor, Department of Biology, Professor, Biochemistry and Biophysics
Microscopy and Imaging Center
Texas A&M University​

As I said, Ketchum was rejected by the scientific community because she behaved like a demented hack.
Click to expand...

LOL! Uh no. The labs had their own personel and performed their own tests on the DNA samples in BLIND studies. They couldn't have been BLIND studies if Ketchum's people were doing the tests. Nothing you quoted says these labs were somehow taken over by Ketchum's workers who then performed the tests themselves. As usual you're just making shit up.

So again, what do you mean by "connected to Ketchum"? Breathing the same air? Being in the same state? Talking to her? How the fuck does being "connected" to someone invalidate their own research?
 
Last edited:
Magical Realist said:
LOL! Uh no. The labs had their own personel and performed their own tests on the DNA samples in BLIND studies. They couldn't have been BLIND studies if Ketchum's people were doing the tests. Nothing you quoted says these labs were somehow taken over by Ketchum's workers who then performed the tests themselves. As usual you're just making shit up.
Click to expand...

None of this is remotely relevant unless you or someone else can explain how the creature continues to procreate without genetic failure from inbreeding...
 
Magical Realist said:
Where did I say science hides evidence? Please quote that for me..
Click to expand...

You have inferred that the establishment jiggles results, ignores what it shouldn't ignore, and are basically dishonest in its appraisal of the existence of anything supernatural, or out of the ordinary like Bigfoot, UFO's of alien origins, ghosts, goblins Poltergeists etc etc.
In fact as is evidenced in many of your posts, the more unlikely, the more unscientific or the more bizarre any non scientific aspect is, the more fervently and stubbornly you will push that stupidity.
That was reinforced 100% by the outrageous idiocy that was your thread entitled "Science has done nothing for mankind" or entitled with words to that effect.
 
You have inferred that the establishment jiggles results, ignores what it shouldn't ignore, and are basically dishonest in its appraisal of the existence of anything supernatural, or out of the ordinary like Bigfoot, UFO's of alien origins, ghosts, goblins Poltergeists etc etc.
Click to expand...

If I inferred that science ignores results of bigfoot research, which is largely true, then it can't very well be jiggling them or hiding them at the same time. That would require an appreciable amount of attention given TO the results, something science wouldn't dare be caught doing. So it goes on its merry way mocking what it never looks into and only exposing itself as largely ignorant of the field itself. Much as we see here in threads like this one, when they aren't being locked or cesspooled because they upset too many of our more "exciteable" members. ;)
 
Last edited:
They're locked and cesspooled because you're blatant anti-science trolling is tiresome, and so are you.
 
I fail to see any reason for this discussion to continue, since MR is avoiding questions (as per normal) and blatantly disregarding simple biological imperatives...
 
Randwolf said:
In the interest of letting the show continue, it appears the link is still "good" - the home page has simply changed to "index": http://sasquatchgenomeproject.org/index.html

Carry on...
Click to expand...
Ah thank you!

And there is Matilda, the saucy minx!

Magical Realist said:
LOL! Uh no. The labs had their own personel and performed their own tests on the DNA samples in BLIND studies. They couldn't have been BLIND studies if Ketchum's people were doing the tests. Nothing you quoted says these labs were somehow taken over by Ketchum's workers who then performed the tests themselves. As usual you're just making shit up.

So again, what do you mean by "connected to Ketchum"? Breathing the same air? Being in the same state? Talking to her? How the fuck does being "connected" to someone invalidate their own research?
Click to expand...
Sorry MR, but they hired the labs and conducted their own studies. The ones who did the blind tests are the ones who are connected to the authors of the so called study.

She admits this in her study and the authors she listed, are connected to or work at those labs.

The DNA she tested was human. We have been through this before.

The list you provided:

Family Tree DNA Genomics Research Center,
1445 North Loop West, Suite 820, Houston, TX 77008

SeqWright, Inc.,
2575 W. Bellfort St. Suite 2001, Houston, TX 77054

University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
6000 Harry Hines Blvd. NA7.116, Dallas, TX 75235-9093

USC Norris Comprehensive Cancer Center
1441 Eastlake Avenue, Los Angeles, CA 90033

Texas A&M University, Microscopy & Imaging Center, Department of Biology and Department of Biochemistry & Biophysics,
College Station, TX 77843-2257

Texas Veterinary Medical Diagnostic Laboratory, College of Veterinary Medicine
Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas 77843

Southwestern Institute of Forensic Sciences
2355 North Stemmons Fwy., Dallas, TX 75207

This assertion of contamination and that "no data has been presented to support these claims" calls into question the integrity of the following Universities:

Texas A&M Microscopy and Imaging Center (Performed the structural analysis using electron microscopy)

Genomics Core Laboratory at the University of Southern California (Los Angeles, CA) (Performed the Whole Human Genome SNP analysis)

University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas - (Performed - Whole Genome Sequencing).​

Connected to Ketchum in the sense that they co-authored the study.

The majority of those who are connected to Ketchum and her study are connected to the labs listed above.

They were paid for the lab space and they conducted the studies themselves and tried to pass them off as being independently tested. The results were 100%, which led her to claim that bigfoot is human.

Then of course comes the one in the OP who claims that bigfoot is a spirit that visits from the spiritual realm, which directly contradicts Ketchum's study.

So which one is correct, MR?

Is bigfoot a spirit from the spiritual realm as per your OP? Or is bigfoot a real life human being, as per Ketchum's study?

Because you are contradicting yourself in this thread. Your OP and the bigfoot claim in the OP of this thread is a direct contradiction to Ketchum's study. Your OP and the article you linked clearly states that there can be no evidence of bigfoot because it is a spirit, yet here you are pushing that Ketchum's study is correct. Why are you contradicting yourself?
 
They were paid for the lab space and they conducted the studies themselves and tried to pass them off as being independently tested. The results were 100%, which led her to claim that bigfoot is human.
Click to expand...

No..that's your lie again for which you have no evidence. I already pointed out to you that a blind study wouldn't be able to be performed by Ketchum's cohorts. The studies were done independently by these independent labs and universities. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. And the fact that a few of the scientists of those very labs vouch for their results on the paper simply weighs in favor of their validity. It doesn't mean they made up the results because they were already convinced it was a bigfoot.
 
Last edited:
Magical Realist said:
No..that's your lie again for which you have no evidence. I already pointed out to you that a blind study wouldn't be able to be performed by Ketchum's cohorts. The studies were done independently by these independent labs and universities. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. And the fact that a few of the scientists of those very labs vouch for their results on the paper simply weighs in favor of their validity. It doesn't mean they made up the results because they were already convinced it was a bigfoot.
Click to expand...
She admitted that they hired the labs to do it and conducted the studies themselves.

And once more..

Then of course comes the one in the OP who claims that bigfoot is a spirit that visits from the spiritual realm, which directly contradicts Ketchum's study.

So which one is correct, MR?

Is bigfoot a spirit from the spiritual realm as per your OP? Or is bigfoot a real life human being, as per Ketchum's study?

Because you are contradicting yourself in this thread. Your OP and the bigfoot claim in the OP of this thread is a direct contradiction to Ketchum's study. Your OP and the article you linked clearly states that there can be no evidence of bigfoot because it is a spirit, yet here you are pushing that Ketchum's study is correct. Why are you contradicting yourself?
 
She admitted that they hired the labs to do it and conducted the studies themselves.
Click to expand...

No she didn't. She never said she and her own people took over the labs and conducted the blind tests themselves. The tests were blind, meaning the labs didn't know where the dna was from. So there's no way it was conducted by her own team.
 
Magical Realist said:
No she didn't. She never said she and her own people took over the labs and conducted the blind tests themselves. The tests were blind, meaning the labs didn't know where the dna was from. So there's no way it was conducted by her own team.
Click to expand...
She said they hired the labs and conducted the experiments themselves. Her words.

And still dodging this:

Then of course comes the one in the OP who claims that bigfoot is a spirit that visits from the spiritual realm, which directly contradicts Ketchum's study.

So which one is correct, MR?

Is bigfoot a spirit from the spiritual realm as per your OP? Or is bigfoot a real life human being, as per Ketchum's study?

Because you are contradicting yourself in this thread. Your OP and the bigfoot claim in the OP of this thread is a direct contradiction to Ketchum's study. Your OP and the article you linked clearly states that there can be no evidence of bigfoot because it is a spirit, yet here you are pushing that Ketchum's study is correct. Why are you contradicting yourself?​
 
Magical Realist said:
No she didn't. She never said that. You're lying just like you always do. Don't waste my time anymore..
Click to expand...


The way you continue to avoid the hard questions put to you, has me logically accepting that it is you, that shall we say is stretching the truth some what...hmmmm what say?
 
Bells said:
Then of course comes the one in the OP who claims that bigfoot is a spirit that visits from the spiritual realm, which directly contradicts Ketchum's study.

So which one is correct, MR?

Is bigfoot a spirit from the spiritual realm as per your OP? Or is bigfoot a real life human being, as per Ketchum's study?

Because you are contradicting yourself in this thread. Your OP and the bigfoot claim in the OP of this thread is a direct contradiction to Ketchum's study. Your OP and the article you linked clearly states that there can be no evidence of bigfoot because it is a spirit, yet here you are pushing that Ketchum's study is correct. Why are you contradicting yourself?
Click to expand...
Are you going to answer this?
 
Magical Realist said:
What truth did I stretch? Quote it please..
Click to expand...
You avoid the truth on most occasions....you avoid answering the hard questions as asked by many....and you incessantly stretch the truth in all your threads, the greatest and most stupidest example being your total idiotic claim that science has not benefitted mankind...you misinterpret and actually lie by avoiding the hard questions, and then act all indignant when someone pulls you up on your nonsense, and subsequently you resort to pedant wanting answers and proof of what others say.
Your Bigfoot is nothing more than a figment of your's and other's imagination and an example of gullibility and ignorance of science. Your claims of ghosts and such, sinks even further into the abyss of stupidity.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top