There IS No New World Order

[MacGyver1968]

That's the journal that Harritt's paper was published in. I've already seen that video. Richard Gage hangs his hat on the demo of building 7. Gage likes to point out this building was not hit by a plane. Answer me these questions:

1. How did the "perps" know ahead of time that that building 7 would be struck with burning debris enough to cause fires?
2. How did they know ahead of time that the water mains would be severed, rendering the sprinkler system that would have quenched the initial fires inoperative?
3. How did they know that the NYFD wouldn't attempt to fight the fires?
4. Why the HELL would they wait 7 FUCKING hours to explode their demolition charges...instead of exploding them when the events were happening, and would have been covered by the dust, and actually killed people...no one died in building 7.

I don't expect an answer.

 

[Eugene Shubert]

because they were NOT QUALIFIED to describe what they saw and heard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok. You say that the Firemen and First Responders that were actually present at the Twin Towers and WTC 7 on 9/11 are not credible witnesses "because they were not qualified to describe what they saw and heard." Are you qualified to say what you see and hear after seeing and hearing something memorable and significant?

 

[Read-Only]

Ok. You say that the Firemen and First Responders that were actually present at the Twin Towers and WTC 7 on 9/11 are not credible witnesses "because they were not qualified to describe what they saw and heard." Are you qualified to say what you see and hear after seeing and hearing something memorable and significant?

Not necessarily - and neither are YOU nor anyone else.

 

[MacGyver1968]

Ok. You say that the Firemen and First Responders that were actually present at the Twin Towers and WTC 7 on 9/11 are not credible witnesses "because they were not qualified to describe what they saw and heard." Are you qualified to say what you see and hear after seeing and hearing something memorable and significant?

No what he's saying is that all kinds of things explode in a fire...including commercial toilets. Unless these explosions happened immediately before the collapse...then they are irrelevant. Why not answer my questions?

 

[Eugene Shubert]

1. How did the "perps" know ahead of time that that building 7 would be struck with burning debris enough to cause fires?
2. How did they know ahead of time that the water mains would be severed, rendering the sprinkler system that would have quenched the initial fires inoperative?
3. How did they know that the NYFD wouldn't attempt to fight the fires?
4. Why the HELL would they wait 7 FUCKING hours to explode their demolition charges...instead of exploding them when the events were happening, and would have been covered by the dust, and actually killed people...no one died in building 7.

1. Perhaps the perpetrators expected fires in WTC 7 ahead of time since thermitic devises for the purpose of causing fires in Building 7 could be detonated at any time.
2. How, why and by who were the water mains severed? That sounds like a well-orchestrated plot to me.
3. There is ample evidence suggesting that the NYFD knew well in advance that Building 7 would collapse.
4. Why should the masters of mankind have rational reasons for anything? I suspect that they were waiting for their planned fires to reach maximum effectiveness as a nice cover for their demolition by explosives.

 

[MacGyver1968]

So Gene...you've been harping on how Harritt's paper was peer reviewed, and now it exposed that that journal it was published in pretty much publishes anything....what do you have to say to that?

 

[MacGyver1968]

1. Perhaps the perpetrators expected fires in WTC 7 ahead of time since thermitic devises for the purpose of causing fires in Building 7 could be detonated at any time.
2. How, why and by who were the water mains severed? That sounds like a well-orchestrated plot to me.
3. There is ample evidence suggesting that the NYFD knew well in advance that Building 7 would collapse.
4. Why should murderers have rational reasons for anything? I suspect that they were waiting for their planned fires to reach maximum effectiveness as a nice cover for their demolition by explosives.

You don't see how all these variables could foul a plan in advance? Do the "perps" employ psychics? You have no good answer so your grasp for straws.

4. Why should murderers have rational reasons for anything? I suspect that they were waiting for their planned fires to reach maximum effectiveness as a nice cover for their demolition by explosives.

Didn't you say the fires weren't that intense to cause a collapse? So which was it?

 

[billvon]

2. How, why and by who were the water mains severed? That sounds like a well-orchestrated plot to me.

Hmm. Could tons of debris falling hundreds of feet and then smashing through a building do that? Naah. Water mains are designed to handle that. Must have been a secret plot.

3. There is ample evidence suggesting that the NYFD knew well in advance that Building 7 would collapse.

Indeed. They have decades of experience knowing when to pull a firefighting effort from a building due to a risk of imminent collapse.

4. Why should the masters of mankind have rational reasons for anything? I suspect that they were waiting for their planned fires to reach maximum effectiveness as a nice cover for their demolition by explosives.

Are we talking alien overlords, or the military/industrial complex, or the Illuminati, or the UN, or something else?

 

[Eugene Shubert]

No what he's saying is that all kinds of things explode in a fire...including commercial toilets.

Right. And since many things explode in fires, that's why Fruit-Loop said that Firemen aren't qualified to report about the explosions they've heard.

 

[billvon]

I never heard of it.

You never heard of the publisher of the journal article that you keep posting over and over again? Are you trying to backpedal or are you really ignorant of the sources you yourself post?

If you really don't know where your posted material comes from, it calls into question the validity of anything you post.

 

[Eugene Shubert]

Hmm. Could tons of debris falling hundreds of feet and then smashing through a building do that?

Obviously massive explosions could do it. The question is when the water mains were severed.

 

[Eugene Shubert]

They have decades of experience knowing when to pull a firefighting effort from a building due to a risk of imminent collapse.

No modern steel-framed building has ever collapsed due to fire. That's exclusively a 9/11 thermitic event.

 

[MacGyver1968]

No modern steel-framed building has ever collapsed due to fire. That's exclusively a 9/11 thermitic event.

You should really stop parroting what you read on Gage's site. Lots of steel framed buildings collapse due to fire.

Like the roof of this building:

 

[Eugene Shubert]

You never heard of the publisher of the journal article that you keep posting over and over again? Are you trying to backpedal or are you really ignorant of the sources you yourself post?

So you're saying that no editor of the journal was fired when the journal published computer generated CRAP but when it came to a political issue that stepped on big toes, then real shit hit the fan?

 

[Eugene Shubert]

Like the roof of this building:

I will look forward to reading Gage's reply.

 

[MacGyver1968]

delete double post

 

[MacGyver1968]

Gage makes his living off of preaching 9/11 conspiracies...what do you think he will say? You said:

No modern steel-framed building has ever collapsed due to fire. That's exclusively a 9/11 thermitic event.

and I showed you an example of one that did. You went full retard...never go full retard.

 

[billvon]

No modern steel-framed building has ever collapsed due to fire. That's exclusively a 9/11 thermitic event.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2116/144/1600/FireSteelBuildingCollapse.View attachment 6834

"About 50 firefighters tackled the blaze at the ESP plant in the Enigma Business Park, near Malvern, which started on Wednesday morning.

The roof collapsed inside the building and flames leapt 45ft (14m) into the sky in a strong wind, Hereford and Worcester Fire and Rescue Service said.

A spokesman for the fire service said the blaze had resulted in a black smoke cloud which could be seen for miles.

He added: "Intense heat buckled the steel girders holding the roof.""

 

[Eugene Shubert]

Are we talking alien overlords, or the military/industrial complex, or the Illuminati, or the UN, or something else?

I prefer to call them the shadow government, which are only slightly exposed in the many documentaries that I've assembled at http://everythingimportant.org. I know of no evidence of a secret organization connected to extraterrestrials or the ancient Illuminati. According to Chomsky, the UN does whatever the US forces upon it. There is no question that the military/industrial complex is a serious and evil threat to democracy but I have no idea of the power that controls it. My best guess is the substance of this movie trailer:

[video=youtube;Qluy0pPJtrs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qluy0pPJtrs[/video]

 

[MacGyver1968]

Classic re-direct.....could you be me even more stereotypical CT?