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London riots: Violence erupts for third day
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Mrs.Lucysnow
Valued Senior Member
You nailed it, except that there is another factor which is the 'small' social cuts they said would not affect anyone. Check out this analysis five months ago when the young middle class protested in London (almost poking the eye out of Prince Charles as his vehicle became lodged within the protests):
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/insidestory/2011/03/201132912932665337.html
To this current event when the poor, uneducated and politically unorganized took their anger out on the streets:
http://www.youtube.com/user/RussiaToday#p/u/27/53XnvNOR5EU
They are reacting to the economic climate but in the wrong fashion as you so stated. Its happening all over the world, in Greece (they were called 'anarchists' and 'rogue unions'), Italy, Spain, Chile and you had a a quarter of the a million people still camped out on the streets in Tel Aviv.
Mrs.Lucysnow
Valued Senior Member
@Bells
Here are the new measures that Cameron will enforce to deal with this situation:
They included:
To look at whether it would be right to stop people communicating via social media when "we know they are plotting violence, disorder and criminality"
Plans to look at whether wider powers of curfew and dispersal orders were needed
New powers for police to order people to remove facemasks where criminality is suspected
Courts could be given tougher sentencing powers
Landlords could be given more power to evict criminals from social housing
Plans to extend the system of gang injunctions across the country and build on anti-gang programmes, similar to those in the US
He said the government would meet the cost of "legitimate" compensation claims and the time limit for applying would increase from 14 to 42 days
A £10m Recovery Scheme to provide additional support to councils in making areas "safe, clean and clear"
A new £20m high street support scheme to help affected businesses get back up and running quickly
Plans for the government to meet the immediate costs of emergency accommodation for families made homeless
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14485592
He said:
"To the law abiding people who play by the rules, and who are the overwhelming majority in our country, I say: the fightback has begun, we will protect you, if you've had your livelihood and property damaged, we will compensate you. We are on your side.
"And to the lawless minority, the criminals who have taken what they can get, I say this: We will track you down, we will find you, we will charge you, we will punish you. You will pay for what you have done."
Here are the new measures that Cameron will enforce to deal with this situation:
They included:
To look at whether it would be right to stop people communicating via social media when "we know they are plotting violence, disorder and criminality"
Plans to look at whether wider powers of curfew and dispersal orders were needed
New powers for police to order people to remove facemasks where criminality is suspected
Courts could be given tougher sentencing powers
Landlords could be given more power to evict criminals from social housing
Plans to extend the system of gang injunctions across the country and build on anti-gang programmes, similar to those in the US
He said the government would meet the cost of "legitimate" compensation claims and the time limit for applying would increase from 14 to 42 days
A £10m Recovery Scheme to provide additional support to councils in making areas "safe, clean and clear"
A new £20m high street support scheme to help affected businesses get back up and running quickly
Plans for the government to meet the immediate costs of emergency accommodation for families made homeless
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14485592
He said:
"To the law abiding people who play by the rules, and who are the overwhelming majority in our country, I say: the fightback has begun, we will protect you, if you've had your livelihood and property damaged, we will compensate you. We are on your side.
"And to the lawless minority, the criminals who have taken what they can get, I say this: We will track you down, we will find you, we will charge you, we will punish you. You will pay for what you have done."
fuck you cameron
understand this
it is revenge and retribution they want
it is to ensure that inequalities are perpetuated
that is what they are enthusiastic about
Today, Britain is less equal, in wages, wealth and life chances, than at any time since then. Last year alone, the combined fortunes of the 1000 richest people in Britain rose by 30 per cent to £333.5 billion.
meanwhile they cut back on the pittance of a social contract they provide for the underclasses. for the ....animals
One of the greatest strengths of British policing is that operational decision-making is conducted not by politicians, but by professional chief police officers who have spent their whole career in policing. While David Cameron today referred to some of the more extreme measures available to us, they are not new, and responsibility for their deployment remains entirely a matter for chief officers. There can be no confusion here at all; it is a fact that we cannot be ordered to police in a certain way but we will be held robustly accountable for what we choose to do or not do.
As one of only two officers in the country to have ordered the use of water cannon and baton rounds in public-order policing, my professional judgment is it would be the wrong tactic, in the wrong circumstances at this moment. Both require an extremely precise situation. The use of water cannon, while logistically difficult, works against large stationary crowds throwing missiles at police or, as I witnessed in Northern Ireland, at other communities. It achieves distance between police and unlawful crowds that is often vital.
Utilising baton rounds, an even more severe tactic, is fundamentally to protect life. When I ordered their use, again in Northern Ireland, my officers were being attacked by blast bombs and live fire. I would always use both with a heavy heart, but it is always an issue of proportionality.
What we have seen so far from these riots, involving fast-moving and small groups of lawless people, is a situation that merits the opposite end of public-order policing.
This morning, myself and members of police forces around the country had the opportunity to share with the home secretary the tactics that are working and the evidence is that fast arrests, rapid processing of prisoners through the court system, making sure the correct charges are being placed and collecting appropriate evidence through proper, investigative practice, is working. Baton rounds and water cannon were not mentioned once.
Although the policing of disturbances in London on Monday has been widely criticised for lack of arrests, we have learned and moved on quickly from it.
Indeed, events on Monday posed unique difficulties for the deployed 6,000 officers – more than have ever policed an event in London. Making arrests at that time, although some did occur, would not have been sensible; we needed cops on the street to keep the peace and preserve life. We can deal with property loss and damage post-event, and while foresight is not always a commodity afforded to the police, part of any deal is that the police will have to explain themselves to the public.
What we have seen so far is not soft policing, and although I understand the enthusiasm of politicians and communities for robust measures, excessive force will destroy our model of policing in the long term. What we must hang on to in all of this is the British model of policing, premised on human rights and the minimum use of force. We police with consent and must be professional, proportionate, fair and justifiable to the public at all times. (Hugh Orde)
As one of only two officers in the country to have ordered the use of water cannon and baton rounds in public-order policing, my professional judgment is it would be the wrong tactic, in the wrong circumstances at this moment. Both require an extremely precise situation. The use of water cannon, while logistically difficult, works against large stationary crowds throwing missiles at police or, as I witnessed in Northern Ireland, at other communities. It achieves distance between police and unlawful crowds that is often vital.
Utilising baton rounds, an even more severe tactic, is fundamentally to protect life. When I ordered their use, again in Northern Ireland, my officers were being attacked by blast bombs and live fire. I would always use both with a heavy heart, but it is always an issue of proportionality.
What we have seen so far from these riots, involving fast-moving and small groups of lawless people, is a situation that merits the opposite end of public-order policing.
This morning, myself and members of police forces around the country had the opportunity to share with the home secretary the tactics that are working and the evidence is that fast arrests, rapid processing of prisoners through the court system, making sure the correct charges are being placed and collecting appropriate evidence through proper, investigative practice, is working. Baton rounds and water cannon were not mentioned once.
Although the policing of disturbances in London on Monday has been widely criticised for lack of arrests, we have learned and moved on quickly from it.
Indeed, events on Monday posed unique difficulties for the deployed 6,000 officers – more than have ever policed an event in London. Making arrests at that time, although some did occur, would not have been sensible; we needed cops on the street to keep the peace and preserve life. We can deal with property loss and damage post-event, and while foresight is not always a commodity afforded to the police, part of any deal is that the police will have to explain themselves to the public.
What we have seen so far is not soft policing, and although I understand the enthusiasm of politicians and communities for robust measures, excessive force will destroy our model of policing in the long term. What we must hang on to in all of this is the British model of policing, premised on human rights and the minimum use of force. We police with consent and must be professional, proportionate, fair and justifiable to the public at all times. (Hugh Orde)
understand this
it is revenge and retribution they want
it is to ensure that inequalities are perpetuated
that is what they are enthusiastic about
Today, Britain is less equal, in wages, wealth and life chances, than at any time since then. Last year alone, the combined fortunes of the 1000 richest people in Britain rose by 30 per cent to £333.5 billion.
meanwhile they cut back on the pittance of a social contract they provide for the underclasses. for the ....animals
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so ahh
the fascist, cameron demands the uk media to hand over footage. he proposes shutting down social media sites. he looks to the us for gang solutions
gangs? a disenfranchised minority is a gang? opportunistic looters are gangs? what we saw on the streets was gang violence? seriously?
and wasn't it just yesterday he was praising twitter's role in the arab spring
choke on that chianti, bourgeois pig
the fascist, cameron demands the uk media to hand over footage. he proposes shutting down social media sites. he looks to the us for gang solutions
gangs? a disenfranchised minority is a gang? opportunistic looters are gangs? what we saw on the streets was gang violence? seriously?
and wasn't it just yesterday he was praising twitter's role in the arab spring
choke on that chianti, bourgeois pig
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Oh, the guy behind the woman looks a bit like De Niro.
I feel sorry for the people who lost their homes.
I feel sorry for the people who lost their homes.
Mmmmk so they hate the 1% richest people...so they attack the middle class...good tactic : Fuck them.
listen up, pal
In the 2010 Spending Review the government made three decisions that impact funding available for the English bus industry: local authority revenue expenditure was cut this year by 28 percent; changes were made to the formula for concessionary fare reimbursements; and the bus service operators' grant was cut by 20 percent from 2012-13.
how do you expect the looters to get to the more tony neighborhoods?
/smirk
In the 2010 Spending Review the government made three decisions that impact funding available for the English bus industry: local authority revenue expenditure was cut this year by 28 percent; changes were made to the formula for concessionary fare reimbursements; and the bus service operators' grant was cut by 20 percent from 2012-13.
how do you expect the looters to get to the more tony neighborhoods?
/smirk
I expect them to man up and do it. They aren't making any fucking friends.
Bells
Staff member
Not just the middle class though. They also attacked the lower class as well, who are already struggling.. It is the lower class who are suffering the most from these riots. Many of those people now no longer have jobs, because the stores they worked in were looted and/or burned down. That is what I don't understand.. Why burn it down? They got everything out of it, why then burn it down. And then attack people who try to put out the fire..
A 68-year-old man who was critically injured as he tried he tried to stamp out a fire during riots in west London has died, Scotland Yard has said.
Richard Mannington Bowes suffered head injuries in an attack in Ealing on Monday night and was left in a coma.
Police have launched a murder inquiry and issued a CCTV image of a suspect.
He is the fourth person to have died in the recent disorder - three men died in Birmingham after being hit by a car while protecting property on Tuesday.
Haroon Jahan, 21, Shazad Ali, 30, and Abdul Musavir, 31, were struck as they stood in a crowd on the pavement in Winson Green, Birmingham.
On Thursday, West Midlands Police said two boys, aged 16 and 17, and a man, 26, had been arrested on suspicion of murder.
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Mr Bowes, of Haven Green, Ealing, is believed to have remonstrated with some teenagers who were setting fire to two industrial bins on Spring Bridge Road.
Police officers were then pelted with missiles as they came to his aid.
Det Ch Insp John McFarlane said Mr Bowes had been "violently assaulted and knocked to the ground".
[Source]
Richard Mannington Bowes suffered head injuries in an attack in Ealing on Monday night and was left in a coma.
Police have launched a murder inquiry and issued a CCTV image of a suspect.
He is the fourth person to have died in the recent disorder - three men died in Birmingham after being hit by a car while protecting property on Tuesday.
Haroon Jahan, 21, Shazad Ali, 30, and Abdul Musavir, 31, were struck as they stood in a crowd on the pavement in Winson Green, Birmingham.
On Thursday, West Midlands Police said two boys, aged 16 and 17, and a man, 26, had been arrested on suspicion of murder.
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Mr Bowes, of Haven Green, Ealing, is believed to have remonstrated with some teenagers who were setting fire to two industrial bins on Spring Bridge Road.
Police officers were then pelted with missiles as they came to his aid.
Det Ch Insp John McFarlane said Mr Bowes had been "violently assaulted and knocked to the ground".
[Source]
This is no longer a political protest. It had started out that way, but it can no longer be deemed that. And those who are looting are not all poor or from the lower class. In fact, quite a few of them are from middle to upper middle classes, many of them employed.
Bells
Staff member
Some of them are coming from the "Tony neighbourhoods" to loot.
On Wednesday undergraduate Laura Johnson, 19, was granted bail by magistrates in Bexley, south-east London, on five counts of burglary in connection with the theft of goods from stores in south London.
The former grammar school pupil achieved four A*s and nine As at GCSE and is the daughter of a successful businessman who owns a large detached farmhouse in Orpington, south-east London, according to reports. She was bailed to return to court on 21 September.
The former grammar school pupil achieved four A*s and nine As at GCSE and is the daughter of a successful businessman who owns a large detached farmhouse in Orpington, south-east London, according to reports. She was bailed to return to court on 21 September.
Others caught include school teachers and university graduates, law school students..
Care to tell me why rich kids, employed adults and university graduates and students are leaving their neighbourhoods and going to riot and loot stores in poor areas?
the world is headed toward more communistic principles, not what was deemed communism before which was a lie with the charade. the greed of capitalism has shown it's true end and therefore people will have to truly consider what is better. i predict it will be a more balanced mix of capitalism and communism. it may take a few generations more or perhaps less but i think it's getting there as people learn from the past. this cannot continue and people will have to be honest with themselves. also, the world is more interconnected than before and more informed.
watch and see if my prediction is or isn't true. heh
watch and see if my prediction is or isn't true. heh
Bells
Staff member
Half of them probably don't even know who he was or how he was killed.
More like 'daddy wouldn't buy me that tv'..
But this hardly lessens the political salience of the rioting - rather the opposite.
Which is to say: the larger political point about class in England is reinforced by the fact that a smallish political protest against police brutality, can quickly spiral out of control into widespread breakdown of order. The class repression has created a tinderbox, and this threatens the viability of the basic social contract.
Also, it would be great if people would stop spending so much energy trying to find ways to write the "extreme shoppers" off as subhuman scum to be dealt with through mere repression. Making excuses to avoid dealing with the basic problems, here. That kind of thing doesn't get you anywhere good.
Care to tell me why I have to demand that a breakdown in social order behave like an organized democratic political campaign, in order to aknowledge the political significance of such, and the lessons it conveys?
Things can have important political content, without having to be organized political protests.
You keep on about some all important socio-political dynamic that everyone is ignoring but never give a hint as what you think it is..Perhaps your motive for the discussion is much like the rioters is thought to be...Not well founded.
Or perhaps you should read my numerous previous posts in this thread, as well as aknowledge the relevant context (long-standing, well-known issues regarding class, race, authority, etc. in England for one), before firing off cheap shots at myself.
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it all begun when you curs went abroad and built your so called civilization by sucking the life blood out of us......
after all that, this is what became of us, a nation in tatters.....
...so some came and got jobs here....
..only to be beaten, abused and treated like animals. you ask why? well it is the english way. you are cruel beyond measure. vicious and predatory. absolute evil incarnate
it all begun when you curs went abroad and built your so called civilization by sucking the life blood out of us......
Adam Brooks says (Laws of Civilization and Decay, page 259-246): "Very soon after the battle of Plassey (fought in 1757) the Bengal plunder began to arrive in London and the effect appears to have been almost instantaneous. Probably since the world began no investment has yielded the profit reaped from the Indian plunder. The amount of treasure wrung from the conquered people and transferred from India to English banks between Plassey and Waterloo (fifty-seven years) has been variously estimated at from $2,500,000,000 to $5,000,000,000." The methods of plunder and embezzlement by which every Briton in India enriched himself during the earlier history of the East India Company gradually passed away, but the drain did not pass away. The difference between the earlier day and the present is that India's tribute to England is obtained by 'indirect methods' under forms of law. It was estimated by Mr. Hyndman some years ago that at least $175,000,000 is drained away every year from India without a cent's return.
"India pays interest on England's debt, which, in 1900, amounted to £244,000,000 sterling, and which annually increases. Besides this, she pays for all of the officers, civil and military, and a huge standing army, pensions of officers, and even the cost of the India Office Building in London, as well as the salary of every menial servant of that house. For 1901-02 the total expenditure charged against revenue was $356,971,410, out of which $84,795,515 was spent in England as 'Home Charges,' not including the pay of European officers in India, saved and remitted to England." (Swami Abhedananda, India and Her People.)
"India pays interest on England's debt, which, in 1900, amounted to £244,000,000 sterling, and which annually increases. Besides this, she pays for all of the officers, civil and military, and a huge standing army, pensions of officers, and even the cost of the India Office Building in London, as well as the salary of every menial servant of that house. For 1901-02 the total expenditure charged against revenue was $356,971,410, out of which $84,795,515 was spent in England as 'Home Charges,' not including the pay of European officers in India, saved and remitted to England." (Swami Abhedananda, India and Her People.)
after all that, this is what became of us, a nation in tatters.....
...so some came and got jobs here....
..only to be beaten, abused and treated like animals. you ask why? well it is the english way. you are cruel beyond measure. vicious and predatory. absolute evil incarnate