London riots: Violence erupts for third day

Nail.On.Head.

There's a theory that there may be some underlying political reasons. There isn't though. Just a bunch of assholes getting themselves some plasma TV action.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1957988/sublime_april_26_1992_rodney_king_riots/

Just because those at the poor uneducated end of the political spectrum can't articulate their position, doesn't mean they don't have one, and what they won't do to enforce it when their backs are up against the wall.

It seems technology and modern society has made it easier for them to organize and use that power, doesn't it? How prophetic Bradley Nowell was, emm? He knew what the streets were like, all they have to do is listen.
 
All the rioters just made their futures a lot harder... and they are too stupid to understand it.
 
Seems to me all of humanity is too stupid to understand. We repeat the mistakes of history over and over again. What is happening now is no different than what happened in the waning days of the Roman Empire. I think this party is just getting started. Wait till we see this sort of thing sweep like wildfire through the states and the continent.

The ruling elites are too decadent and insulated to see their peril, or the peril to society as a whole, and, well, as can be seen on this site, the middle classes? On balance, they are completely in denial. I'm not entirely blaming them tough. A lot of the blame goes to state run schools and the state/corporate controlled media.
 
Seems to me all of humanity is too stupid to understand. We repeat the mistakes of history over and over again. What is happening now is no different than what happened in the waning days of the Roman Empire. I think this party is just getting started. Wait till we see this sort of thing sweep like wildfire through the states and the continent.

I think it all depends on the cultures involved. Some are much more resistant to random mobbing memes.

The ruling elites are too decadent and insulated to see their peril, or the peril to society as a whole, and, well, as can be seen on this site, the middle classes? On balance, they are completely in denial. I'm not entirely blaming them tough. A lot of the blame goes to state run schools and the state/corporate controlled media.

I am not sure where you are talking about; however, in my country (the U.S.) the middle class are very aware that our government is no longer for the people... it is for the special interest groups. Those groups might be rich elitists, corporations, mom-and-pop shops, or just groups of people with agendas.

One of the things that a special interest-run government has allowed to happen is divert the majority of the country's wealth into the hands of a tiny segment of the population.

The middle class understand very well that their wealth / jobs are diminishing and they are becoming the ranks of the poor as well. They also understand the solution... change the government to be an orgniazation for the people exlusively (like it was intended to be) and make it illegal for special interests to have any influence in government (ever). By illegal I mean charges of treason for any government employee or non-governmental entity for breaking the law. Treason can often carry the death penalty, which I suspect could mean that a corporate entity charged with trason would be liquidated and the proceeds returned to the people.
 
I am not sure where you are talking about; however, in my country (the U.S.) the middle class are very aware that our government is no longer for the people... it is for the special interest groups. Those groups might be rich elitists, corporations, mom-and-pop shops, or just groups of people with agendas.

You are right to focus on the middle class.
It is when the middle class become dissatisfied that things have historically changed. (I could be wrong about that. discuss)
Do you think we can change things through the voting system.
The US system is far worse than the UK's because candidates need to make commitments to rich sponsors.
They do in the UK too, but our parties total budgets wouldn't last a week in the US.
The result isn't much worse though.

What's the word for it?
Shite.
 
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You might be surprised at this G, but I agree with that part about immigration. The purpose of opening borders is to bring down wages.
It's Capitalist competition at work.

At the moment, in the UK, if a job is available, then anyone in Europe can apply for it.
If the job is low skilled, then the workers willing to work for the lowest wages "win" the job.


I think people are generally pissed off about Eastern Europeans and others being able to get low skilled work at the expense of people born in the UK. Last year I was free during the xmas period, had no work, so a mate and I applied to work for the Royal Mail, just temp work over the holiday period. I have a degree and everything else, didn't get it. My mate managed to get in, but he only stayed for a week or so simply because the management worked the employees like dogs. The working conditions were bad, there was a lot of dust, and you didn't really get a chance to have a breather, you had to constantly look busy, which people here can't really manage, we just get pissed off.

Alot of the low-paid, menial jobs are given to immigrants etc. for that reason. Its not that the people here don't want to do them, its just that employers, when given the chance, will try and squeeze every ounce of your energy, any arguing and you are given a warning, 3 and you're out, they keep breaks to a minimum, you can't socialise etc. that is not work.

I'm asian, IMO immigration to the UK is not out of control, it has brought alot of positives to this country, made the country more competitive, helped regenerate certain areas etc. but when unemployment is so high, surely the Gov. has a responsibility to try and provide jobs for their own citizens. Unemployment is a serious issue that needs to be addressed.

Can't remember the figure off the top of my head, but I think maybe one in three 16-25 year olds is unemployed.
 
Historian David Starkey on Newsnight kicking up a shit-storm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU5TcTSa9kk

“I’ve just been re-reading Enoch Powell,” he said. “His prophesy was absolutely right in one sense. The Tiber didn’t foam with blood, but flames lambent wrapped round Tottenham and wrapped round Clapham.”

Now, that statement is vintage Starkey. He almost says something inflammatory – “Enoch Powell was absolutely right” – but, after pausing for a nano-second, pulls back from the brink – “in one sense”. He then went on to say what he thought Powell had got wrong – “But it wasn’t inter-communal violence. This is where he was completely wrong” – without saying what he’d got right (apart from the lambent flames). So it’s difficult to say which parts of the Rivers of Blood speech he was agreeing with.

In any event, that wasn’t the particularly controversial bit. It was the next thing he said that set the cat amongst the pigeons:

What’s happened is that a substantial section of the Chavs that you wrote about have become black. The whites have become black. A particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic, gangster culture has become the fashion. And black and white, boy and girl, operate in this language together, this language which is wholly false, which is this Jamaican patois that’s been intruded in England, and this is why so many of us have this sense of literally a foreign country.


Lmao.
 
Historian David Starkey on Newsnight kicking up a shit-storm.

Did you see Newsnight? The funniest thing was when he read out that text message that Olympic Ambassador or whatever said. Man talk about old posh white men detached from modern Britain.
 
Did you see Newsnight? The funniest thing was when he read out that text message that Olympic Ambassador or whatever said. Man talk about old posh white men detached from modern Britain.


Haha, I watched it on the BBC website. That bit was hilarious.
 
I've seen him on Question Time a couple of times. He loves the sound of his own voice, like he has something terribly important to say every time he opens his pie hole.
 
Did you fail to notice how the police stood by half the time and did nothing as they looted? They simply watched. Why do you think that is?

Police get fed up with a court rooms that let people off for crimes they have committed. If they ran in and stopped the looting the list of crimes that each rioter had pinned to them would of indeed been far less, if anything it was likely "let them wear themselves out, commit enough crimes so they can't get out of prosecution, then arrest them".
 
Seems to me all of humanity is too stupid to understand. We repeat the mistakes of history over and over again. What is happening now is no different than what happened in the waning days of the Roman Empire. I think this party is just getting started. Wait till we see this sort of thing sweep like wildfire through the states and the continent.

The ruling elites are too decadent and insulated to see their peril, or the peril to society as a whole, and, well, as can be seen on this site, the middle classes? On balance, they are completely in denial. I'm not entirely blaming them tough. A lot of the blame goes to state run schools and the state/corporate controlled media.

The death thralls of civilization.

I guess it's time to move the boundaries round and create a new country, at least that way we have a new civilization.
 
Wait till we see this sort of thing sweep like wildfire through the states and the continent.

There's been calls for an occupation of Wall Street for Sept. 12th.

I dunno about looting, I have too much crap that I fished out of dumpsters already....but I, for one, would like my country back from the banks...

Stryder:The death thralls of civilization.

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NEIN! Throes.

Sorry, I have attacks of Grammar Nazi.
 
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There's been calls for an occupation of Wall Street for Sept. 12th.

I dunno about looting, I have too much crap that I fished out of dumpsters already....but I, for one, would like my country back from the banks...



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NEIN! Throes.

Sorry, I have attacks of Grammar Nazi.

Actually I kind of meant that chav rioters are Thralls... n/m (A sound alike 'double en-tender')
 
Double entendre!:bawl::bawl::bawl:

But thralls are slaves, and I thought it was presumed these kids are lumpenproles without good prospects, so not slaves...but people who have no future other than poverty to look forward to...

So no real reason not to go for a nice riot in the shops. When you have nothing to lose, a present that sucks, and no better future to look forward to, hey...
 
Re the Starkey interview.
He preached a sheep and goat,white is good, black is bad, dichotomy.

His mania was self protective.
When presented with something that a black man did which was good, he said that was the black man acting like a white man. And vice versa.

Did they bring him on for our entertainment, or what?
I was beginning to get that guilty feeling I get when laughing at the self deluded loonies singing on X-factor.
I wonder what time they had to get him back to the asylum they dragged him out of?
 
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Was he actually condoning that, or was he posting an example of propaganda that condoned that?
 
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Meanwhile, Andy says it like it is
I don't want to live in a world where the London rioters are behind bars and the Murdochs are free.@BorowitzReport
 
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