Islam Got It First...

[Shadow1]

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the origine of arabs is sumerian also the origin of the first jews,
arabic and hewreb, have teh same origine,
in arabic, we call arabic, alarabya, and hebrew, alirya, they look like each other, just one two letters changed it's places,
i'm not goign to say islam discoer it like soem people thoght that when i wright islam got it first, i mean the arabic civilisation, also, the arabic civilisation, is a mixte of every culture, mixed them all together, learned their knoledge, and developed it, some people say that we got mthemathiques by invading pursia, but in fact, we never did, we didnt invade pursia, but because peasian became muslims, but effcorse independent from us and have their own rulers, and a similar culture because of islam, pearsian in the past were the arabs friends, pearsian invented mathematiques, and arabs learned it from them, and they developped it,
the arabic univerceties in teh past, didnt just allowed muslim to study there, anyone can, what ever his nationality or his origin culture, so the arabic univercities had students and discovers from pearsians, arabs, north african, kairouan(wich it's an arabic city built by arabs, that have a race mixed between berber(the original people of northafrica) and arabs))
the arabic scientist, before they started to invent so much things, they got knoledge from other civilisations, and they developed it, and added on it,
arabs were the first who maked medical surgeries, they had their surgery tools, before europe do, cause europe at that time was in it's dark ages,
also, there's an arabic scientist, who invented a motor that works with water, but he didnt know what to do with it, the motor was a ball, with two pipes with a 90° angle from both sides, when the water is boiled, it turn into gas vapor, then it will go out from those pipes, and make the ball turn, i studiet it at school, sorry i don't remember names, cause i'm nto very good at history, but i'll post next time a topic about the arab inventers,
they also disocered that the earth is round and turns aroudn the sun, before europe do, it's already mentioned in the quran also,

here's a link for more inventions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_medieval_Islam

 

[Shadow1]

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you may be true tht arabs did find this oen here in other civilisations and developed it, but there's also much and much more inventions, you can find hundrends of sites that say that and say what were they, i posted another post from wikipedia for you,
but, do you think that all those inventions in that link, got it from other civilisations, that they didnt even heard of most of them?

 

[Michael]

about the cities built by arabs, kairouan, medina, at saudi arabia, mecca, and others, and i'm not talkign just a bout muslim arabs, i'm talkign about all arabs, even before islam, also, don't you see in all the arabic cites, even that you don't call it arabic, that they all use the arabic architecture and stuff, ?? maybe i'm wrong,

By your title I had the impression you were making a claim that Islam was in someway helpful in progressing civilization, such as science and math.

So, I asked if you could list 5 cities that Muslim Arabs founded and built?
OK, Kairouan yes, this is an example of a city founded by and built by Muslims.I have to say, I had never heard of this city. But, I read a bit on wiki.

Any others?

One thing I found interesting while reading about Mecca. Did you know that during the reigns of Uthman Ibn Affan (c. 579-656) and Umar (c. 586-590-644 CE) flooding was a large problem in Mecca. Unfortunately, Arab Muslims didn't really know how to build and maintain cities - this is because they were generally a nomadic people. And so they called in and paid Christian engineers to build barrages in the low-lying quarters and construct dykes and embankments to protect the area round the Kaaba.

I guess when it comes to protecting Mecca we could say: Christians did it first.

Pretty interesting huh?

It also makes me wonder how the most famous Arab Muslim city Baghdad, which was founded about 20 minutes outside of the eternal Persian Capitol, was built? Was it really built by Arab Muslims - the same people who couldn't even build a dike to protect Mecca? Something to think about.



That aside, I like the idea of learning about Arab history BEFORE Islam. It's just too bad that the people who used Islam did such a good job of destroying and denigrating almost all aspects of Arab civilization before Islam. For example, did you know there was once an Arab Roman Emperor? Did you know that Arabs lived in England BEFORE Islam? Interesting huh?

 

[Michael]

Were Arabs and "Jews" (Arab Jews?) both Sumerian?

 

[spidergoat]

Well, the middle east is where civilization started, so one would expect middle eastern cultures to have the first accomplishments in terms of invention. The Chinese people were also quite inventive. Too bad religion ran into a built in limitation on assimilating any new information that contradicted religious dogma. We would have had colonies on Mars by now.

 

[Shadow1]

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first: while arabs and chinese and the rest of asia were inventing and studying phelosophy and maths and astronomy, europe, that means chritians, were living in trees, having wars killing each others, and all thos stuff, so, how can you say, that chiritians designed and invented every thing for us,
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the muslim civilisation, that invented all that, ARE ARABS, try to educated your self mister,
third:
baghdad was built by arabs, kairouan also, media also,
so as for mecca, so as for all the other cities in the saudi arabia,
arabs in that time were muslims,
so when i say the muslim civilisations inventions or cities, i mean, the arab inventions and cities, ok?
forth:
both jews and muslims, the hebrew and the arabic, have teh same rute, ok?

 

[Shadow1]

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http://www.2747.com/2747/world/city/bagdad.htm

before starting accusing, make sure of what are you saying, try to make a search before that,
and you're talking, like chiristians are angles, and the onyl civilisations builders, that saved the world!! oh my!! they never did anythign bad!! oh my! never killed a sol!!! oh my god!!:bugeye:

 

[Michael]

Shadow1,

I'm not saying that Christianity invented anything. Christians may have invented a thing or two, but not because of Christianity.

Secondly, Arabs were at war just as much as Christians.

Thirdly, simply list 5 MAJOR cities that the Arab Muslims founded and build.




Just out of curiosity, when you look at your life and you look all the inventions in - who made most of this stuff?

 

[S.A.M.]

Hmm if I reduce everything to the decimal and the use of the zero, it would be the Arabs.

The others simply plagiarised their work and built upon it.

Seriously where would bits and bytes be without a zero?

How would anything in modern life make sense without a decimal?

Hospitals, schools, scholarships, the principle of innocent until proved guilty, being judged by evidence and scholars rather than kings, the scientific method and empiricism, citation and according due recognition for work done. Why my entire life is based on Islam!

 

[Creeping Death]

The "Zero" comes from ancient sumerian. It was lying there in the dirt right under their feet waiting to be discovered!
The Babylonians were known to have used a space as a placeholder for empty "columns" as far back as 1700 BC.
Around 1400 years later, they developed the first known symbol to stand for an empty place. It looked something like YY.

It didn't actually stand for the number we know as "zero." It was never used alone. It was only a place holder.
The Mayan culture developed a symbol for the number zero, probably independently of the Babylonians, sometime later.

Do not be misinformed, Nothing progressive ever came out from Islam!

 

[Shadow1]

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not came from the relegion islam, came for the people,

 

[Ophiolite]

Excuse my ignorance, it's chronic. Does Arabic use capital letters? Do they have an equivalent to the full stop, or period? Just asking.

 

[Shadow1]

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you mean gramaticly in the language?
no we don't have big letter like those :"A,B,C,D,E,D..." no, all letters are similar, but it depends on the position of teh letter in teh word, or teh phrase,
and yes, we use teh poin"." and this and everyting , ; : ...
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so yes

 

[iceaura]

Many things "vanished" in other societies with European encroachment. Indeed, many societies vanished altogether.

But not Islam, with its special advantages. It, and they, have been with us for a thousand years.

In that time, a great many things discovered, rediscovered, and plagiarized among Islamic peoples have been rediscovered, as well as plagiarized, by non-Islamic peoples. The plagiarizing has also happened recently - on a huge scale - vice versa, but not the rediscovery.

Back a few years, before the more recent European influences and the influx of wealth etc, the list of countries in which men outlived women on average was longer than now - and dominated by Islamic countries. Not by colonial, encroached, oppressed, miserable countries - they had short lifespans, but normally distributed - but by Islamic countries. It's about as severe an indictment of an ideology as one can imagine, eh?

The arrogance, senseless wholesale destruction, and lack of gratitude or attribution common to the scourge of Western imperialism is a great evil. That does not make "innocent until proven guilty" a special invention of Islam, much less the number 0.

 

[Michael]

You'd never know SAM was Indian would you? She probably thinks Arabic is God's Perfect language too?

- A tradition derived from the decimal system used in Indian mathematics.
- Regular usage can be attributed to a Persian mathematician. You should probably have knowledge of him? More than likely he was raised Zoroastrian and then (might have) "converted" in order to live in the then conquered Persia.
- "Arabic" numerals - the ten digits (0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) were derived from Indian mathematicians.


Lets see now, electricity, computer, telephone, radio, microwave, television, airplane, automobile, trains, medicine, light bulbs, glass windows, engines, spaceships, genetics, calculus, advanced physics, atomic structure, basically the entire modern world ...

 

[S.A.M.]

You'd never know SAM was Indian would you? She probably thinks Arabic is God's Perfect language too?

- A tradition derived from the decimal system used in Indian mathematics.
- Regular usage can be attributed to a Persian mathematician. You should probably have knowledge of him? More than likely he was raised Zoroastrian and then (might have) "converted" in order to live in the then conquered Persia.
- "Arabic" numerals - the ten digits (0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) were derived from Indian mathematicians.

And? Did anyone learn it from the ancient Indians? Not even the Indians, I'm afraid.

Da Vinci painstakingly outlined the human body through autopsies but no one benefited from his knowledge ether.

Lets see now, electricity, computer, telephone, radio, microwave, television, airplane, automobile, trains, medicine, light bulbs, glass windows, engines, spaceships, genetics, calculus, advanced physics, atomic structure, basically the entire modern world ...

Ah yes, genocide and slavery does work, doesn't it? Do you recommend this western system of taking all and giving back death and destruction in return?

 

[CheskiChips]

first: while arabs and chinese and the rest of asia were inventing and studying phelosophy and maths and astronomy, europe, that means chritians, were living in trees, having wars killing each others, and all thos stuff, so, how can you say, that chiritians designed and invented every thing for us,
second:
the muslim civilisation, that invented all that, ARE ARABS, try to educated your self mister,
third:
baghdad was built by arabs, kairouan also, media also,
so as for mecca, so as for all the other cities in the saudi arabia,
arabs in that time were muslims,
so when i say the muslim civilisations inventions or cities, i mean, the arab inventions and cities, ok?
forth:
both jews and muslims, the hebrew and the arabic, have teh same rute, ok?

The arabs were amongst the most uncivilized people in the world, they were killing eachother senselessly until around at least two or three-hundred rules after Mohammed. The Persians had a good early culture - but it wasnt fully endemic, the Indus valley was probably more advanced than Persia, and China wasn't exactly stupid. Europe had as much culture as Persia when Persia was big.

 

[S.A.M.]

The Arabs at their worst have had a reputation for hospitality - India has a relationship with Arab traders going back several thousand years, maybe even ten thousand. And no Indian [or Jewish] historian has ever called them "savages". Even Jews who go from Israel to the West Bank comment on the difference in attitude, the warmth and reception

Were Arabs and "Jews" (Arab Jews?) both Sumerian?

Jews are genetically closer to Kurds, Turks and Armenians, so they seem to be Indo-Aryan migrants rather than Semitic peoples.

There is an Indian researcher who is working on Pashtun genealogy and there is a possibility that they may turn out to be the origin of the Jewish peoples.

The Taliban as Jews, how ironic would that be?

 

[iceaura]

Lets see now, electricity, computer, telephone, radio, microwave, television, airplane, automobile, trains, medicine, light bulbs, glass windows, engines, spaceships, genetics, calculus, advanced physics, atomic structure, basically the entire modern world ...

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Ah yes, genocide and slavery does work, doesn't it? Do you recommend this western system of taking all and giving back death and destruction in return?

Nothing on that list, possible exception glass windows, has fundamental roots in genocide or slavery.

None of it was taken from anyone else.

The Western system that produced those things would be worth looking into, and at least borrowing from, one would think. The collection of its accomplishments is nothing short of spectacular.

 

[S.A.M.]

Nothing on that list, possible exception glass windows, has fundamental roots in genocide or slavery.

None of it was taken from anyone else.

The Western system that produced those things would be worth looking into, and at least borrowing from, one would think. The collection of its accomplishments is nothing short of spectacular.

Its a very easy system. It requires at least three generations of wealth and peace accompanied by large stretches of leisure to think. All of which the west has bought at the expense of the rest of the world.

Prior civilisations did not have the same level of bloodthirsty ambition or the ability to reduce everyone else to the level of a subhuman who is expendable. Except perhaps the Egyptians. They didn't do too badly either. Although, I do believe you can assess the merit of a people by the way they behave when the chips are down. Lets see how that goes...