Skinwalker banning Scifes unacceptable

[scott3x]

scott, I appreciate your discussion of your own problems with Skinwalker's moderation. You must know that now that we realize the problem, we must all stick together to see this forum transformed for the better. You advised me that I should avoid the forums in which Skinwalker is a moderator. I must humbly decline your advice as my main purpose of being on the forum is the inform and clarify the Muslim position on issues in relation to Islam and Muslims. As you can see from my posting records, it is quite consistent. If I felt those forums, there would hardly be any reason for me to post on this forum. Numerous people have a vested interest in misrepresenting and demonising Muslims. I have chosen to stand against them, and explain in detail and with extensive proof the proper Muslim view to raise the intellectual standard of this forum. Unfortunately, many people have a problem with the truth of the Muslim and Islamic view coming into the open, hence why I am censored and personally attacked on this forum. Eventually truth and understanding will triumph, I believe.

Good points. I've reconsidered my stance. I suppose the thing with me is that my main passions don't generally intersect with Skinwalker's forums anyway. But another part of it is my general compunction to never go up against someone who I know I can't beat, not for intellectual reasons but because they've got more power, if you will. Atleast not when it's unnecessary, which is how I see it here.

Skinwalker has singled me out to silence my view, I am 100% sure of this fact, just as he has done with scifes. Those moderators who silence views which they do not agree with should not remain moderators of any forum which claims to be unbiased and open.

My thread has been allowed to remain open. This can only mean that there are some moderators who are considering our discussion and using it to judge in this matter.

Hm. Perhaps.

if anyone has any other experience with Skinwalker's moderation, please post.

That does sound like a good idea. I wonder if the administration would object to an anonymous poll (wouldn't want anyone to suffer moderator backlash) as to whether Skinwalker stays on as a mod or is replaced?

 

[leopold]

I guess the people in that particular thread generally lucked out.

lucked out? for 31 pages?? come now scott, you can't be serious.

The problem, I think, is when he's a bit more attentive to a thread. I have stated the 2 posts accompanied by warnings that he deleted of mine. Are you defending those deletions and warnings?

it's a study in technique, i suggest you try it.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Numerous people have a vested interest in misrepresenting and demonising Muslims. I have chosen to stand against them, and explain in detail and with extensive proof the proper Muslim view to raise the intellectual standard of this forum. Unfortunately, many people have a problem with the truth of the Muslim and Islamic view coming into the open, hence why I am censored and personally attacked on this forum. Eventually truth and understanding will triumph, I believe.

Well I agree with you here, I notice there is a willingness by some members to demonize Muslims or Islam in a way that would be considered outrageous if it were directed towards any other group. Skinwalkers referring to you as my 'Assalam Alaikum' when sending a warning is meant to be patronizing and sarcastic at the expense of your culture and that I think is wrong but you could always go to James or Skinwalker himself and ask that this way of addressing you is insulting.

Next time someone harasses you over your belief in God just quote this by A. Einstein:

"..there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is of the same kind as the intolerance of the religious fanatics and comes from the same source. They are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against the traditional "opium of the people"—cannot bear the music of the spheres."

http://www.einsteinandreligion.com/atheism.html

 

[John99]

Skinwalkers referring to you as my 'Assalam Alaikum' when sending a warning is meant to be patronizing and sarcastic at the expense of your culture and that I think is wrong but you could always go to James or Skinwalker himself and ask that this way of addressing you is insulting.

how can that be patronizing?

Well I agree with you here, I notice there is a willingness by some members to demonize Muslims or Islam in a way that would be considered outrageous if it were directed towards any other group.

i noticed that about many groups and seems like you are more sensitive to it in this instance, i dont agree with it and i am not defending it afa any religion is concerned. scifes was banned for one day and i have seen other members get the same for pretty much the same thing only longer bans they received and far worse treatment by members and they were not Muslim.

 

[draqon]

The point of the story is that moderators are always right, their decision is not to be disputed, their actions are final and judgment is sound. But when they cease to be moderators than we shall pierce the hearts of lawless. Honor, Honor, and uphold the Law.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

how can that be patronizing?

i noticed that about many groups and seems like you are more sensitive to it in this instance, i dont agree with it and i am not defending it afa any religion is concerned. scifes was banned for one day and i have seen other members get the same for pretty much the same thing only longer bans they received and far worse treatment by members and they were not Muslim.

First of all sending him a warning that starts with 'my Assalam Alaikum'
IS patronizing, what else could you infer from it? Secondly I don't think Scifes was banned because he was muslim. I was referring to a complaint Diamond had as to how he is treated. And yes I do see what SAM and Diamond have complained about on these boards, some of the things that have been said to them about themselves and their religion would have had members banned if it were said about blacks or jews or gays for example. I have seen it go down myself.

 

[draqon]

Lucysnow, it does not matter what and who moderators do, they are always right, for they hold the power.

Just remember their names and who they are when they cease being moderators.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Lucysnow, it does not matter what and who moderators do, they are always right, for they hold the power.

Just remember their names and who they are when they cease being moderators.

Hahaha!


John what would you think if someone said to a jewish member in a PM 'To my yarmulke'd poster here is your warning' or 'To the member with a slit in between her legs you are being warned about...' Or 'To my dark skinned brother here is your warning...' Or 'To my Whitey here's your warning'

See what I mean? Using 'my' and then adding the muslim greeting is not meant with affection or humor it is meant to be patronizing.

 

[John99]

No Lucy, it is not similar to that because 'my yarmulke'd poster' is NOT an actual greeting.

skinwalker is definitely not biased towards one prticular religion so i dont think that is a fair thing to say. he is equally critical of all religions and that is obvious. i have no reason to defend him and i dont interact with him on here often.

he is also similar to the other atheists on the board and quite frankly from their perspective i can understand some of their views. to me, being agnostic, i can discern these things a little better.

these are my impressions.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

No Lucy, it is not similar to that because 'my yarmulke'd poster' is NOT an actual greeting.

Well its a greeting for muslims isnt it? Its not a greeting you would use for just anyone so it is targeting him as a muslim and not just a poster who needs warning.

 

[John99]

i dont know what the specifics are.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

i dont know what the specifics are.

I've seen Fraggle come into a thread and attack SAM in a rabid rage for no reason whatsoever (it didn't even properly address the thread) called her a liar (had nothing to do with her post) then basically assumed she came from an 'islamist state' when she's from India and not an islamist state. I wasn't the only member to feel embarrassed for him over that attack it was a sign of prejudice against her and nothing else. I have read things that have been written about Muslims that are down right insulting but no one bats an eye, so I am not surprised that is ok for a mod to refer to a poster he is trying to warn as 'my Assalam Alaikum'. its become part of the new 'scientific' sciforum culture meanwhile no other ethnic or religious group is treated in this manner.

I am an athiest and I am from the West and I see it, on this note they are not making things up or being 'too sensitive' though if I were a muslim on these forums I would be on hyper alert for any perceived attack.

 

[John99]

i dont see any real distinctions between the way religious groups are treated. could be that you are more sensitive in certain areas. since you are more sensitive towards muslim issues, in general, i thought you were muslim but in this case, relating to the thread, i dont think there is bias because others DO get treated the same way but you dont notice it or brush it off.

even if it is not religion, like calling Americans, or implying incessantly that americans are stupid. surely some are but then it isnt possible to make that distinction because of the diversity and yet i have seen you do it on numerous occasions.

SAM herself is not immune to this behavior.

 

[draqon]

Americans are stupid.

 

[John99]

of course some are but i am sure that some people think you are stupid. or perhaps you are chubby...etc.

 

[draqon]

of course some are but i am sure that some people think you are stupid. or perhaps you are chubby...etc.

well I just wrote it cause you mentioned it By the way if I get banned by the gay dudes here, it has been nice knowing you John. Adieu. =)

 

[John99]

thanks. its been very nice knowing you too.

 

[Sciencelovah]

inzomnia, the reason I created this thread was to bring attention to Skinwalker's moderation, not necessarily the specific case of scifes. Just as scifes, I believe I was also isolated for only what I can describe as harassment. I received 5 warnings, of which one I forced Skinwalker to reverse. Many of my posts were deleted with insulting comments or replies to them. I received offensive replies from this specific moderator, and when I tried to discuss the issues with him, he only became more hostile. I can only describe of what was a very deliberate attempt to either ban me or to convince me to leave these forums. As a matter of fact, this was suggested to me in a PM I received from him. Scifes is only the most recent case of a very deliberate attempt to silence views which Skinwalker disagrees with. Temporary ban is the first indication of an eventual permanent ban.

DiamondHearts, are you not too serious?? Please relax a bit, after all this is just internet forum.. :shrug: (I am just bit worried!)

When Skin said in PM "Assalamualaikum, here is warning", I found that in fact a bit funny! Next time, just reply him "His Excellency Mr Moderator, have you just convert into Muslim?"

I would suggest you to use some diplomacy from now on.. because, moderators have higher bargaining position than members. As Sun Tzu wrote:

If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War ​

Don't be too serious, and don't look back too much when your posts get deleted or infraction received. Keep posting in civil & diplomatic way, so I would not miss you like we miss Kadark.

Edit: look at this post: http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2261987&postcount=63

otheadp has been banned for 7 days for personal insults, advocating violence, excessive profanity and racism.

Next ban (if there is one) will be for 2 weeks.

Don't you think we need moderators? ;-P

 

[scifes]

well...i think the conversation here is mature enough for me not to know what to add..i agree with scott's reply to enmos...i agree with DH refusing scott's idea of running away..and i agree with inzomnia that you guys should relax a bit..as i said before(and it magically dissapeared)..this is a jungle themed chessboard..it's not a place to settle a fight, not to mention start one..rules apply..which are a double edged sword..till now it's bloody on one side..as lucy showed..some threads are embarrasing to look at...but unlike draqon said..i won't wait till the mods cease being mods to get the other side bloody too...

so if some mods are waving the rules around irresponsibly like children..let's see what we can do about them(the rules)..if the parents don't give a damn..

i'll post a new thread..

. As Sun Tzu wrote:

If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War ​

one of the best quotes i've come across..

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

i dont see any real distinctions between the way religious groups are treated. could be that you are more sensitive in certain areas. since you are more sensitive towards muslim issues, in general, i thought you were muslim but in this case, relating to the thread, i dont think there is bias because others DO get treated the same way but you dont notice it or brush it off.

even if it is not religion, like calling Americans, or implying incessantly that americans are stupid. surely some are but then it isnt possible to make that distinction because of the diversity and yet i have seen you do it on numerous occasions.

SAM herself is not immune to this behavior.

John you think a lot of things but it doesn't make you any more the wiser. I am not muslim nor sensitive to muslim issues which was m point, I see that what some of what is being said is true. I have been here since 2003 and never have I seen one group treated in quite this way. Yes SAM is fond of the sweeping statement and I call her on it if we are in a thread together it still doesn't change the fact that there is a bias towards anything that has to do with Islam and Muslims.

You say that others are being treated this same way so please give us some thread examples. Which posters do you think have to constantly defend their religion or ethnicity?

Oh and by the way I agree with Dragon...Americans are pretty stupid. Maybe its because of you