Is midnight today or tomorrow?

That's saying that we're all etheral! (not true of course):D

Is that so? Just look at how long life exists in relationship to the age of the universe...a speck of sand on the ocean floor is more than time of life in universal time.
 
Is that so? Just look at how long life exists in relationship to the age of the universe...a speck of sand on the ocean floor is more than time of life in universal time.

What life are you talking about?
My life?
Your life?
Everyones life?
The planets life?
What life?

Life exists as long as it exists. The ocean and a speck of sand is irrelevant compared to the time we sit watching time go by.

You are in reverse draqon. Spin around or something. And tell me again.
 
One life is not all life draqon:D

what if it is...? :bugeye: What if all life that ever existed, exists, and will exist is part of one unified concept? What if this is the God we have been after all this time? The God that is within everything alive, that defines life itself.
 
what if it is...? :bugeye: What if all life that ever existed, exists, and will exist is part of one unified concept? What if this is the God we have been after all this time? The God that is within everything alive, that defines life itself.

That is impossible draqon. Let me spin you around for you:

What if all life that exists, and existed, and will keep existing, is part of some concept? What if this is the God we've been wanting to find? The God that is here on earth, that defines life? What if?
 
That is impossible draqon. Let me spin you around for you:

What if all life that exists, and existed, and will keep existing, is part of some concept? What if this is the God we've been wanting to find? The God that is here on earth, that defines life? What if?

no I do not think life is limited to Earth. God would be in everything that is alive.
 
What about life !? :bugeye:
Isn't this thread about midnight being either tomorrow or today ? I could be mistaken though..
 
If there's any chance of confusion, it is usual to specify a time like 11:59 pm or 12:01 am with the date, rather than 12 midnight. If you need more accuracy, try 12:00:01 am or similar.
 
well firstly its never written as 2400hrs, its ALWAYS written as 0000hrs and there for its the next day.

even using a 12 hour clock its 12:00 AM which again suggests its the next day (well unless you think that the day starts in the afternoon anyway)

Asquard has the best answer (thanks!) and I think that there's a general concensus that it's tomorrow. -- but cinderella ....
 
I have 7 boards, laid end to end. They're each 24 inches long. The end of each board thus is a point I mark as 24 inches. The middle of each is a point I mark as 12 inches. The middles of the halves are points I mark as 6 inches & 18 inches. Each mark represents a point. Each point is the end of a measurement. The 6 inch mark represents a point which is the end of the 1st 6 inches. The 18 inch mark represents a point which is the end of the 18 inches. The end of each board is a point which is the end of 24 inches. The end of each board is not a foot, an inch, half inch or quarter inch. It is a point. The beginning of each board is a point. Not a foot or inch or quarter inch. I can't see or measure points so for practical purposes, I mark quarter inch points on the boards & call the 1st part of each board the 1st quarter inch. But I'm not satisfied with this so I mark 16th inch points & call the 1st part of each board the the 1st 16th inch. I want even smaller increments marked but it just isn't practical.
For each board to be 24 inches long, the length naturally must reach & include the 24 inch point. Without the 24 inch point, it is not 24 inches. Each board begins with a point I can't see or measure so I say it begins with the 1st 16th inch.
Midnight, whether called 12:00 (ridiculous) or 24:00, is the end point of each day. The next point in time is the beginning of the next day. That point can't be measured so we call the 1st part of the next day the 1st second which should be written 00:00:01.
 
I have 7 boards, laid end to end. They're each 24 inches long. The end of each board thus is a point I mark as 24 inches. The middle of each is a point I mark as 12 inches. The middles of the halves are points I mark as 6 inches & 18 inches. Each mark represents a point. Each point is the end of a measurement. The 6 inch mark represents a point which is the end of the 1st 6 inches. The 18 inch mark represents a point which is the end of the 18 inches. The end of each board is a point which is the end of 24 inches. The end of each board is not a foot, an inch, half inch or quarter inch. It is a point. The beginning of each board is a point. Not a foot or inch or quarter inch. I can't see or measure points so for practical purposes, I mark quarter inch points on the boards & call the 1st part of each board the 1st quarter inch. But I'm not satisfied with this so I mark 16th inch points & call the 1st part of each board the the 1st 16th inch. I want even smaller increments marked but it just isn't practical.
For each board to be 24 inches long, the length naturally must reach & include the 24 inch point. Without the 24 inch point, it is not 24 inches. Each board begins with a point I can't see or measure so I say it begins with the 1st 16th inch.
Midnight, whether called 12:00 (ridiculous) or 24:00, is the end point of each day. The next point in time is the beginning of the next day. That point can't be measured so we call the 1st part of the next day the 1st second which should be written 00:00:01.

Is this a science forum? Or a science fiction forum?
 
Midnight, whether called 12:00 (ridiculous) or 24:00, is the end point of each day. For each day to be 24 hours, it must naturally reach & include the 24 hour point. The next point in time is the beginning of the next day. That point can't be measured so we call the 1st part of the next day the 1st second which should be written 00:00:01.
 
We shouldn't even be fooling with 12 hour time mode any more but :
All authorities seem to think noon is 12pm & midnight is 12am. I'm guessing because noon is followed by 12:01pm & midnight is followed by 12:01 am (tho it should be 00:01am even in 12 hour mode).
11:59pm is the end of the 59th minute of the 12th hour(pm). 12:00midnight is the end of the 60th minute of the 12th hour(pm). Midnight is 12:00pm.
11:59am is the end of the 59th minute of the 12th hour(am). 12:00noon is the end of the 60th minute of the 12th hour(am). Noon is 12:00am.
Of course, 24 hour mode is much simpler & clearer.
 
As per ISO8601:2000(E) http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-core/200104/pdf00005.pdf

5.3.2 Midnight

The complete representations in basic and extended format for midnight, in accordance with 5.3.1, shall be expressed in either of the two following ways:

Basic format Extended format
a) 000000 00:00:00 (the beginning of a day);
b) 240000 24:00:00 (the end of a day).

The representations may be reduced in accordance with 5.3.1.2, truncated in accordance with 5.3.1.4 or designated to be a time expression in accordance with 5.3.1.5. To represent midnight the representations may be expanded with a decimal fraction containing only zeros in accordance with 5.3.1.3.

NOTE 1 Midnight will normally be represented as [0000] or [2400].
NOTE 2 The choice of representation a) or b) will depend upon any association with a date, or a time-interval. Representations where [hh] has the value [24] are only preferred to represent the end of a time-interval in accordance with 5.5.1.

NOTE 3 The end of one day [2400] coincides with [0000] at the start of the next day, e.g. 2400 on 1985 April 12 is the same as 0000 on 1985 April 13. If there is no association with a date or a time-interval both a) and b) represent the same clock time in the 24-hour timekeeping system.
 
That settles it then. The ISO standard says midnight is tomorrow.

StrangerInAStrangeLa said:
For each board to be 24 inches long, the length naturally must reach & include the 24 inch point. Without the 24 inch point, it is not 24 inches.
Sort of. You are including the 0th point. That means the 24th inch point actually begins what you numbered as "23". That means you have to include the entire interval [23,24). If you include point 24, then you've included an inch plus 1 point. You basically have a fencepost problem on your hands.
 
That settles it then. The ISO standard says midnight is tomorrow.

The Standard says that it is a point in time that can be represented as EITHER:

A) 00:00:00 Tomorrow

OR

B) 24:00:00 Today


But conventionally, 24 hrs is represented by numbers 0-23 and in all digital clocks, 00:00 follows right after 23:59. - so A) is used
 
As per ISO8601:2000(E) http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-core/200104/pdf00005.pdfThe end of one day [2400] coincides with [0000] at the start of the next day, e.g. 2400 on 1985 April 12 is the same as 0000 on 1985 April 13.

That is ridiculous. Some goofball in a position of authority has decided something which makes no sense.
There is no 0:00 point. The end of 1 day is not the same point as the beginning of another day.

That settles it then. The ISO standard says midnight is tomorrow.

That does not settle it. The ISO standard is WRONG.

Sort of. You are including the 0th point. That means the 24th inch point actually begins what you numbered as "23". That means you have to include the entire interval [23,24). If you include point 24, then you've included an inch plus 1 point. You basically have a fencepost problem on your hands.

There is no 0:00 point.
The 24th inch point actually begins what you numbered as "23"????????????? Are you half asleep?

The Standard says that it is a point in time that can be represented as EITHER:
A) 00:00:00 Tomorrow
OR
B) 24:00:00 Today
But conventionally, 24 hrs is represented by numbers 0-23 and in all digital clocks, 00:00 follows right after 23:59. - so A) is used

I know what is predominantly used. It's WRONG. It's ILLOGICAL. It's SILLY.
 
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