Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Kittamaru]

and what was the speed of that asteroid and the composition?????

btw ST doesn't handle coalision that good either. looking at picard ramming the scimitar. yet we see a SSD collide with the deathstar and the damage is minimal.

Asteroids composition should, HOPEFULLY, be less dense than that of a supposedly ARMOR PLATED CAPITAL SHIP.

As for the Ent-E ramming Scimitar - it was a smaller ship that had NO SHIELDS ramming a much larger target. With the asteroid, it was a much SMALLER object ramming a much LARGER one. Thus, you'd think the SD would at least survive... but nope.

 

[Tnerb]

The rules are either:

All vs All as one union (all of current Trek vs all of Current wars)

OR

All vs All acting as they would (much more Difficult because we dont' know who in SW would band together to fight)

We are assuming the Q are not involved for the sake of giving SW a bone.

We are assuming CURRENT TRENDS, with SW Movies as highest cannon - if anything in them contradicts books/magazines/plays/radiobroadcasts/whatever movie wins.

Going by that logic, continue, please.

And please, do note - Jedi really would not help SW all that much...

You realize your final statement in this post fails. You've mentioned that it's all of starwars vs all of star treck. By that logic the force would beat anything that Star Treck has to offer. By your own logic, you've dissembled the entire thread into a win or lose, and directing your arguements at others other than me. You've basically stated how others feel about the thread in your own point of view whihc is not being discussed by the others but at present only me, in essense you've given the game away which is exactly what my post stated. Here's how:

And please, do note - Jedi really would not help SW all that much...

This is an obviously incorrect statement.

According to a few posts from not long back, the Jedi's power of the force in the darkside and perhaps Palpatine alone according to some books etc would be enough to wipe out any and all star destroyers ever. Grand Admiral Thrawn apparently has access to these powers as well correct? In an effort to continue the peaceful star wars universe, The darkside would do anything they can to destroy whatever sees to it that their empire is kept intact. Palpatine would obliverate any and all federation class ships. Force always wins by your logic alone.

Therefore, if as you say the rules dictate that star wars is capable of using force powers, such as palpatines, Star Wars wins.

However, if you declare that they are not able to use such force power, then you would have to change your rules to allow it so that Star Treck can win and that the force is not able to destroy such things as they really are able to destroy.

Doing so, Star Treck would undoubtedly win due to the size and power that Star Treck Ships have.

This is a no brainer to me. Star Wars or Star Treck according to the simple logic of rules.

Try harder plz?

 

[Tnerb]

Asteroids composition should, HOPEFULLY, be less dense than that of a supposedly ARMOR PLATED CAPITAL SHIP.

As for the Ent-E ramming Scimitar - it was a smaller ship that had NO SHIELDS ramming a much larger target. With the asteroid, it was a much SMALLER object ramming a much LARGER one. Thus, you'd think the SD would at least survive... but nope.

Correct. Rules for one galaxy collide with another. If a fed ship can't handle an astroid in Star Treck, but a Milenium Falcon can in Star Wars, then the rules should apply to both REASONABLY.

Duh.

 

[Lord Vasago]

euh the scimitar is build by a guy who "cloned for replacing picard *hmmm moral*" was trown in mines why normally would not survive "hmmm moral" with the rest of a ENSLAVED species

so what did you mean Startrek has no slaves ????? right back at ya

Kittamaru I respect you in this thread. You've often have responded at my questions. And I am a fan of Startrek too.
But i get pissed at some thing being allright for startrek because they have said it onscreen but because they didn't in SW that same thing won't count in SW

for instance wouldn't be logic to say that A isd has inertial Stabilizing.??????
the deathstar can fucking move in hyperspace. so does any Wars vessel.

 

[Uchiha Madara]

it appears the movies and the games contradict on this one.

Can you please show me where?

 

[Uchiha Madara]

yep, hard for the SW computers at least.

I think not. That person is saying, it is hard so he can't do it.

 

[Uchiha Madara]

is that a comic book or a cartoon?

A novel, and a comic.

 

[Uchiha Madara]

oh i agree compleatly, it's just there was this guy a while back that claimed the tower was untouched. funny business that...

Well, humans can make mistakes can't we?

 

[Uchiha Madara]

but it won't be there when the war starts. it may take time to build it. in the start they'd be both blind as bats and without long range communications. they would be forced to limit their operations in few systems/sectors, not on a galactic level.

Yeah, it takes time but they can still function without HoloNet, they can use relay ships in hyperspace but it won't be as good though.

 

[Uchiha Madara]

well that is certanly possible. cloaked planets, phasing tech, hyperspace hiding, could help both sides survive. even sleeper ships might help.

I don't prefer it though. It wouldn't be much fun if everyone just hide it out, because there will be no war if everyone hides.

 

[Uchiha Madara]

now i apologize, but this is clearly wishful thinking as far as movie canon goes. the stories and the comics probably made the jedi uberpowerfull but the movies made them far less lethal. at least the bulk of them. the average jedi could not survive an attack by a well trained company of soldiers. when ambushed, jedi masters get killed by squads of soldiers.

If you are talking about Order 66, it was cheap. They aren't expecting them to betray the Jedi, it happened suddenly. They never even knew about the 66th contingency order probably. If you are talking about Geonosis, it was cheap too they got heavily out numbered and the arena is too small.

 

[Uchiha Madara]

Random occurences befall us all, Madara.
The point is that we can see through the dust cloud. The engines of the Executor (red glow) are clearly where the tower should be. Super imposed images verify this.

The Captain on the bridge quickly disappear, but also reacts.
The tower is struct.
There is an explosion
The captain reacts by throwing his hands up
His image disappears.

Movies are very simple. This line of imagery is used to enforce a perception that they (directors) did not want to constantly alude to in dialogue. That the asteroid field was dangerous.

PIETT: Our ships have sighted the Millennium Falcon, lord. But...it
has entered an asteroid field and we cannot risk...

VADER: (interrupting) Asteroids do not concern me, Admiral. I want
that ship and not excuses.​

Needa says, they must have been destroyed. That they've sustained a severe amount of damage. In other words this pursuit is costly, the commanders want to get they're ships out before they themselves. This is story-telling otherwise there is no point in this scene.

We can't be so desperate to prove our points that we abandon logic.

I am not desperate. I said it might of got chipped, and how should I know what part is chipped off, it might be that the part with the captain on it got chipped off.

 

[Uchiha Madara]

Genesis project could be used again because the people working on it were Rescued and the data is safe in SF HQ...

The DDD can't be used unless you guys want to try bringing back Centerpoint or some other long-gone Wars superweapon, in which case we get to do the same...

Dude, half of it is not ancient history.
1. Superlasers are seen not just in the DS (For example: Darksaber )
2. Sun Crusher is destroyed over 10 years ABY
3. Centerpoint is destroyed about 40 ABY
4. The Celestials are not dead, they disappeared from the plot
5. Superweapons powered by the dark side of the force can be build again because of the sith holocrons and perhaps the meditation sphere

As for the Sun Crusher, the scientists survived.

We didn't use ancient weapons that is destroyed more than 50 years ago.

 

[Lord Vasago]

first of all, the future was clouded by the unlimited power of a sith Lord.
he kept the army hidden fro the Jedi ffs.
second with powerfull Jedi i ment Jedimasters or Sith masters like Lord Vador or Darth Sidius and Joda.
they would allways be a step forward of anything ST tried. They wouldn't even have to be onboard. Vader used the choke on a officer on another ship.

 

[Lord Vasago]

Asteroids composition should, HOPEFULLY, be less dense than that of a supposedly ARMOR PLATED CAPITAL SHIP.

As for the Ent-E ramming Scimitar - it was a smaller ship that had NO SHIELDS ramming a much larger target. With the asteroid, it was a much SMALLER object ramming a much LARGER one. Thus, you'd think the SD would at least survive... but nope.

well that doesn't say much for the trek shields does it.
and i quote "a smaller ship with NO SHIELDS ramming a larget target."
so a un shielded vessel can penetrate a much larger vessels shields and just ram halfway through the disk ???? wanna see that same asteroid hit this larger vessel then. It would take out the bridge just as easily.

 

[Kittamaru]

Correct. Rules for one galaxy collide with another. If a fed ship can't handle an astroid in Star Treck, but a Milenium Falcon can in Star Wars, then the rules should apply to both REASONABLY.

Duh.

When in the name of hell did the Falcon hit an ASTEROID?

It LANDED on one... and it came into the DEBRIS field of Alderaan... but that's it...

 

[Uchiha Madara]

Jedi and Sith can use Battle Meditation to weaken the UFP's will to fight ( if they have any to start with ), and strenghen their own side's.

 

[Kittamaru]

euh the scimitar is build by a guy who "cloned for replacing picard *hmmm moral*" was trown in mines why normally would not survive "hmmm moral" with the rest of a ENSLAVED species

so what did you mean Startrek has no slaves ????? right back at ya

Kittamaru I respect you in this thread. You've often have responded at my questions. And I am a fan of Startrek too.
But i get pissed at some thing being allright for startrek because they have said it onscreen but because they didn't in SW that same thing won't count in SW

for instance wouldn't be logic to say that A isd has inertial Stabilizing.??????
the deathstar can fucking move in hyperspace. so does any Wars vessel.

I didn't say they had NO slaves. They look DOWN upon slavery, eg only BAD GUYS do it... duh?

And again, point out where I'm being hipocratic and I'll either make amends or show you my point of view.

 

[Uchiha Madara]

When in the name of hell did the Falcon hit an ASTEROID?

It LANDED on one... and it came into the DEBRIS field of Alderaan... but that's it...

They hit a debris right after coming out of hyperspace. Remember that the Falcon have 0.5 hyperspace which is the best, so the speed must have been pretty fast.

 

[Kittamaru]

I am not desperate. I said it might of got chipped, and how should I know what part is chipped off, it might be that the part with the captain on it got chipped off.

Yes, it was. Thatt part is called the BRIDGE tower.