The Balochis are an Iranian tribe. And the Kurds are all over the place. That's like saying white people don't belong in America and Australia, because they've undermined the natives.
Iran seizes 15 British troops in Persian Gulf
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The Balochis are an Iranian tribe. And the Kurds are all over the place. That's like saying white people don't belong in America and Australia, because they've undermined the natives.
Iran's antagonism of the British ought to, as I suggested in the other thread, result in Iran's sole oil refinery going explody.
A simple retaliation for an provocative abduction in Iraq's waters.
A simple retaliation for an provocative abduction in Iraq's waters.
What does the Iraqi government say about it?
I haven't heard the prime minister of Iraq's comments, actually. As far as I know, he's said nothing about the whole deal, as primarily it is an issue between the UK (and perhaps the US) and Iran.
Y'know, I don't think the silliness of that is ever going to penetrate.PJ said:
It would make more sense for Iran to threaten to blow up its own refinery - which is not going to happen either.
It's like the threats we are making in Iraq: you guys straighten up or we are going to - - - go home? Stay forever to provide targets? Hello?
Then they should leave.geoff said:
How does that justify the Brits and US behaviors - orders of magnitude worse, in most measures ? And how is it relevant here?
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Do I need to say "false analogy"? Probably not. Your impression of self-determination is a bit...stunted.
You don't have to, I was being sarcastic.
Seriously though, you do realise Al-Qaeda and other extremist groups relish the thought of the US to taking out the Iranian regime? I've heard Sunni Arabs calling on America to bomb Iran back to the stone age, some even want Iran nuked. Imagine that.
The Americans seriously do not have a clue.
I don't need to reply to a person who makes stupid conclusions of what I say and openly admits he has anti-muslim bias...
BTW, Sam you are a muslim??
What is the need to refer to crusades??? they were minor events compared to what's being committed today... Jihad is holy, Quran is peaceful and Muhammed was a brother of Moses ans Jesus and a mercy to all who are lucky enough to understand ...and you are not on the good side of the line as you believe...
A few days back, the Iranians were talking about releasing the sole female soldier among the siezed. They had even promised Turkish prime minister to do so; I also heard in their news agency that they call this "a technical mistake which should be investigated by both sides", but then the British used illogical assertions like "we are gonna use other methods if they don't release our soldiers" and the other such words made them change their mind and words... Is it only me who think so, or the British do not want this case solved??
It's interesting how people committed to the status quo ante are so doggedly determined to redefine nationality and freedom in the way that requires them to do the least work. In other words: what do the Balochis say about that? What do the Kurds say? Never mind; we both already know what they say. And how can the Balochi be "an Iranian tribe"? They existed long, long before Iran ever did. Your position is disingenous.
I thought you said they didn't? Anyway, maybe the natives of Australia and America do indeed deserve liberated homelands within those territories. It would be the least one could do. Do the same rules no apply to Iran, even though their oppression of the Baluchis (and the Iraqis of the Kurds) is so much more recent? Your argument smacks of hypocrisy.
It doesn't. Who said I was justifying the US and Britain in Iraq on that basis? Now, since Iran is so committed to freedom and self-determination, are they getting out too?
And this has to do with the liberation of Baluchistan and Kurdistan...how?
Huh? The Balochis are Iranian tribes, they moved into Pakistan and Afghanistan from present day Iran. The Persians are indigenous to Iran too.
And Iran are Iraq are modern day concepts yes, but then so is the idea of a country, if you remember, previously land was defined by conquerors not by international boundaries.
They have a distinct culture and national concept. The Gauls moved into France from Germany, but that doesn't make them Germans.
So you feel that the borders have to remain fixed.
Buffalo Roam
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chuuush
Really then you admit that when it is done in the name of the Quran, Mohammed, and Allah, no matter how barbaric, it is blessed? as long as it is done in the name of Jihad.
No I don't believe that Mohammed is a Prophet of Peace and Understanding, the passages in the Quran do not foster Peace and Understanding between religions, people, and nations and the acts committed in the Name of Allah and the prophet certainly do not, the only peace under the Quran is total subjugation, or death, and even then between the sects of Islam there is no peace, they kill each other as often as they kill anyone else, there is no comparison between the Book of Peace the New Testament, and the Man of Peace and Salvation Jesus Christ, and the Quran, and Mohammed.
Jesus lived a exemplary life and harmed no one in his preaching, he was neither a Raider, or a Warrior, he conquered no one, and put no one to the sword, and never condoned any violence to bring conversion to the faith, can the same be said for Mohammed? The Quran speaks of nothing but killing if you do not accept Islam, it condones slavery, the rape of Women, the killing of innocent people just for refusal to accept Islam, Mohammed lays out the legalities of killing the Infidel, and blessed the act, he condones lying to make it easier to subjugate the enemies of Islam, any treaty is worthless under the name of Islam, for it is a sham to cover preparations to continue the attack when the preparations are right, and that is from the Quran. As for Mohammed all you have to do is look at his life, and the things that he did and was involved in and it becomes clear that there is a reason to question His word, I put my faith in the bringer of true Peace, and Life, He did not condone killing for conversion, he did not countenance rape, torture, the murder of innocent men women and children in his name, and he offered a true way to paradise, can the same be said of the Islamic religion, to get to your paradise you kill, torture, rape and murder, and that finds you favor with Allah? It is all considered as being holy as long as it is only a unbelieving infidel that is the victim?, Actions speak louder than words, and the actions of the holy jihad, are far from holy, and if done in the name of Allah have to be the biggest blasphemy committed in the name of Deity,That is what I see from the Jihad Warriors of Islam, nothing but blasphemy, to the name of God.
Really then you admit that when it is done in the name of the Quran, Mohammed, and Allah, no matter how barbaric, it is blessed? as long as it is done in the name of Jihad.
No I don't believe that Mohammed is a Prophet of Peace and Understanding, the passages in the Quran do not foster Peace and Understanding between religions, people, and nations and the acts committed in the Name of Allah and the prophet certainly do not, the only peace under the Quran is total subjugation, or death, and even then between the sects of Islam there is no peace, they kill each other as often as they kill anyone else, there is no comparison between the Book of Peace the New Testament, and the Man of Peace and Salvation Jesus Christ, and the Quran, and Mohammed.
Jesus lived a exemplary life and harmed no one in his preaching, he was neither a Raider, or a Warrior, he conquered no one, and put no one to the sword, and never condoned any violence to bring conversion to the faith, can the same be said for Mohammed? The Quran speaks of nothing but killing if you do not accept Islam, it condones slavery, the rape of Women, the killing of innocent people just for refusal to accept Islam, Mohammed lays out the legalities of killing the Infidel, and blessed the act, he condones lying to make it easier to subjugate the enemies of Islam, any treaty is worthless under the name of Islam, for it is a sham to cover preparations to continue the attack when the preparations are right, and that is from the Quran. As for Mohammed all you have to do is look at his life, and the things that he did and was involved in and it becomes clear that there is a reason to question His word, I put my faith in the bringer of true Peace, and Life, He did not condone killing for conversion, he did not countenance rape, torture, the murder of innocent men women and children in his name, and he offered a true way to paradise, can the same be said of the Islamic religion, to get to your paradise you kill, torture, rape and murder, and that finds you favor with Allah? It is all considered as being holy as long as it is only a unbelieving infidel that is the victim?, Actions speak louder than words, and the actions of the holy jihad, are far from holy, and if done in the name of Allah have to be the biggest blasphemy committed in the name of Deity,That is what I see from the Jihad Warriors of Islam, nothing but blasphemy, to the name of God.
Borders could be redrawn all across the ME to undo what the British did, but a lot of people will die in the process.
spidergoat
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Why? Why do they have to? What is the need to kill anyone?
Ah, yes: Iranian oil interests. Gotcha.
what, no kittys? i'm afraid to ask but what is that in your avatar?