Discussion in 'Human Science' started by paulsamuel, Apr 1, 2004.

  1. paulsamuel Registered Senior Member

    no, neither before nor since
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  3. Xev Registered Senior Member

    Hi, I'm Jenna Jamison. Pleased to meet you, Mr. Crick.
    This gets tedious -
    Scrubbing a few test tubes does not make you an expert on diddly. Nor would being an expert make your opinion any more or less valid.

    No, it doesn't. However, sharing a set of inherited characteristics that defines a race does mean that they share a race.
    Jesus, you dare feign higher education and yet you cannot grasp basic set theory.

    But then - how typical of someone from the soft sciences, good on dissecting bugs, bad at grasping abstract concepts.

    That said, even someone with moderate skill at bug-dissection should be able to make judgements of kind and category. If you do not notice the obvious physical differences between races, then there really isn't much hope for you. I don't care to discuss this with a man whose only argument has been, so far, "SCIENCE SAYS!!!"

    And of course, the lovely "YOU RACIST EVIL NAZI BITCH!"

    Because of course, if people don't agree with prevailing dogma, they are Nazis. Anyone who contravenes the accepted truth is a bloody Nazi, who poisons the tolerent diversity of our wonderful, racially diverse tolerent state, and that person should just be sent to some sort of camp where they are kept from polluting the our decidedly impure blood - oh, wait...

    Dipshit. You're not even an idiot, you're simply a - dipshit.

    Now - races or ethnicities, at this point I don't give enough of a shit to explain the differentiation to the sheeple - obviously have different characters and traditions. Are those characters shared? Of course - we are humans first. It would be odd indeed if we didn't share many characteristics.

    The current cultural trend is to take a bit of this and a bit of that from each culture. Ideology in the U.S, and increasing immigration in Europe, has led to a state in which the "universal human spirit" is simple marketing to the lowest common denominator.

    I like diversity. Unlike the cocksuckers who celebrate diversity, I actually think that diversity is a good thing.
    And for diversity to exist, distinction is necessary.

    Thus, supporting distinction is necessary.
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  5. paulsamuel Registered Senior Member

    jeez, your insolence goes everywhere. if you're talking about THE Francis Crick, he is a Ph.D., so minimally his title is Dr., but he's a full professor so his title is upgraded to that, however he's been knighted so it's really Sir Francis Crick. Now you've insulted one of the most important people in the history of biology, his name and his legacy.

    Does insulting your intellectual superiors make you feel smarter? Is this why you do it?

    You might want to visit a psychiatrist.

    that may be true, but it's irrelevant.

    My C.V. is free online for all to access. I haven't updated it in a while but my credentials are there for all to see. Also my Ph.D. and Masters dissertations are freely available through your local university libraries.

    My credentials and expertise are well documented, unlike you, who have no credentials.

    that's tautological, and not at all what i was arguing against. there ARE NO 'set of inherited characteristics that define a race.' what is the meaning of that statement young lady?! that's a very misleading and deceptive statement!

    and just saying, "no it doesn't," to a statement of fact does not constitute an argument ("I came here for an argument!" Monty Python).

    I am not the one feigning here, xev (wink wink). You can manipulate sets all you want but you can't address the scientific evidence until you READ IT!

    you are really ignorant. that statement is self-contradictory. you don't know what soft science is, so don't pretend you do.

    I need only quote spuriousmonkey

    This is unconscionable!! And from a moderator!!

    This is a fucking lie! I never made such a statement you fucking liar! And I'm reporting you. This is dispicable! You should be ashamed of yourself! Have you no sense of Ethics?!?!?!!??!

    Hmmm. Actually, pschologically, this is kind of interesting. She can't wrap her small little brain around the real topic, so she has to invent a fantasized opinion of mine to disagree with and argue about? There's a name for this in psychiatry but I can't remember it. Any help out there?

    Of course, you're MAKING UP, INVENTING distinction.

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  7. 15ofthe19 35 year old virgin Registered Senior Member

    Whatever gave you the idiotic presumption that you necessarily need the myth of race, meaning people of different colors are a different race, to have and celebrate diversity?

    Diversity is a wonderful thing, one of the most wonderful aspects of the earth, but to limit it to skin color is both small-minded, and belies an utter lack of wisdom.

    Methinks you need to educate yourself a little more on this topic before you go picking fights you can't win.

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  8. Rappaccini Redoubtable Registered Senior Member

    You might want to go try to bite the hubcaps off oncoming traffic.

    Since when were you appointed Defender of the Honor of Mr. Crick, anyway?
  9. Big D Registered Senior Member

    The problem with a guy like paulsamuel is that he allows himself to become too emotional, this is what interferes with his ability to deal with the facts.

    This is just some of the many differences between the two different races of Negros and Caucasians:


    The I.Q.'s of American Negroes are from 15 to 20 points, on average, below those of American Whites.

    These Black\White differences have been demonstrated repeatedly by every test ever conducted by every branch of the U.S. Military, every state, county, and local school board, the U.S. Dept. of Education, etc. The same ratio of difference has held true over a 40 year period.

    With an average I.Q. of 85, only 16% of Blacks score over 100, while half the White population does. The Negro overlap of White median I.Q.'s ranges from 10 to 25 percent-- equality would require 50 percent.
    Blacks are 6 times as likely to have I.Q.'s of 50 to 70 which put them in the slow learner (retarded) category, while Whites are ten times more likely to score 130 or over.

    The U.S. government's PACE examination, given to 100,000 university graduates who are prospective professional or administrative civil-service employees each year, is passed with a score of 70 or above by 58% of the whites who take it but by only 12% of the Negroes. Among top scorers the difference between Negro and White performance is even more striking: 16% of the white applicants make scores of 90 or above, while only one-fifth of one percent of a Negro applicants score as high as 90--a White/Black success ration of 80/1.

    Differences between Negro and White children increase with chronological age, the gap in performance being largest at the high school and college levels.

    White/Negro I.Q. differences are constantly excused as results of environmental variations. but at least five studies that have attempted to equate socio-economic backgrounds of the two races indicate no significant change in relative results. As environment improves, the Negro does better but so does the White. The gap is not decreased. In fact, extensive research by DR. G.J. McGurk, associate Professor of Psychology at Villanove University, reveals that the gap in intelligence between Blacks and Whites INCREASES where socio-economic levels of both races are raised to the middle classes.

    Results of the Army Beta test given by the U.S. Army to over 386,000 illiterate soldiers in WWI showed Negro draftees to be "inferior to the Whites on all types of tests used in the Army." Additionally, tests were conducted upon pure Negroes, Mulattoes, and Quadroons. It was found that "the lighter groups made better scores."

    Studies conducted with identical twins raised apart in radically different environments provide conclusive evidence that over-all influence of heredity exceeds that of environment in a ratio of about 3 to 1.

    Even when Blacks and Whites have the same backgrounds, in terms of family income and childhood advantages, Blacks still have average I.Q. scores 12 to 15 points lower than comparable Whites. This includes cases where Black children have been adopted by White parents. Their I.Q.s may be improved by environment, but they are still closer to their biological parents than their adoptive parents.

    Equalitarian ideologists often discount I.Q. test results with the excuse that they are culturally biased. Nonetheless, NO ONE, not the NAACP nor the United Negro College Fund, nor NEA had been able to develop an intelligence test which shows Blacks and Whites scoring equally.

    American Indians, who often live in conditions far worse than American Blacks during their entire lives, still consistently outscore them on I.Q. tests.


    Among human races numerous studies have been made of the comparative weight of White and Negro brains with results that fell within the range of about an 8-12 percent lower weight for the Negro brain. Such studies have been conducted by Bean, Pearl, Vint, Tilney, Gordon, Todd, and others.

    In addition to the difference in brain weight, the Negro brain grows less after puberty than the white. Though the Negro brain and nervous system mature faster than the white brain, its development is arrested at an earlier age which limits further intellectual advancement.

    The thickness of the supragranular layer (the outside layer) of the Negro brain is about 15 percent thinner, and its convolutions are fewer and more simple, on average, than that of the White brain.

    The frontal lobes of the Negro brain, responsible for abstract conceptional reasoning, are smaller relative to body weight, less fissured, and less complex than those of the White brain.


    Negros have higher testosterone levels on the average of 5- 19% higher then that of Whites.

    The name Homo sapien was first used by the 18th Century Swedish botanist Carolus Linnaeus. The word "sapien" means "wise." The name was originally used to speak of the White man and synonymous with "europaeus." As a result, many later taxonomists and geneticists believed that Negroes and other races should be classified as different species. In fact, Darwin declared in The Descent of Man that the varieties of mankind are so distinct that similar differences found in any other animal would warrant their classification in different species, if not different genera.

    For his mammoth work, The Origin of Races, Professor Carleton Coon, President of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists and the premier geneticist of the world, assembled massive evidence from geography, anatomy, genetics, physiology, comparative dentition, linguistics, archeology, and fossil records from 300 bone-bearing sites to verify his theory of pre-sapien racianation." In other words, Homo erectus was divided by race even before evolution into Homo sapien stage.

    According to Dr. Coon, while the Caucasoid subspecies (the White race) was evolving in Europe, the Negro race was standing still on the evolutionary plane and is today no less than 200,000 years behind the European in skull and brain development.

    The Negro skull, in addition to having a smaller brain volume and thicker cranial bones than that of the White, is prognathous; i.e., the lower face projects forward, rather in the manner of an animal's muzzle. In consequence, the Negro jaw is substantially longer, relative to its width, than the White jaw. A feature of the Negro lower jaw is its retention of a vestige of the "simian shelf," a bony region immediately behind the incisors. The simian shelf is a distinguishing characteristic of apes, and it is absent in Whites.

    The skin of the Negro is thicker and possibly superior to the White's in the way it impedes the penetration of germs and in its protection from the ultraviolet rays of the sun.

    The dark color of the Negro is due to melanin pigment which is spread through every layer of the skin and is found even in the muscles and brain.

    Negroes have arms which are longer, relative to body height, than those of Whites. This feature, together with their much thicker cranial bones, gives Black athletes an advantage over Whites in boxing. The skeletal and muscular peculiarities of Negroes' lower limbs have given them considerable success as sprinters, but have left them relative undistinguished as distance runners.

    The hair is black, crispy, and "woolly" in texture, it is flat and elliptical with no central canal or duct like the hair of Europeans.
    The nose is thick, broad and flat, often turned up nostrils exposing the red inner lining of the mucous membrane similar to an ape.
    The arms and legs of the Negro are relatively longer than the European. The humerus is a trifle shorter and the forearm longer thereby approximating the simian form.
    The eyes are prominent, iris black and the orbits large. The eye often has a yellowish sclerotic coat over it like that of a gorilla.
    The Negro has a shorter trunk the cross-section of the chest is more circular than whites. The pelvis is narrower and longer as it is in an ape.
    The mouth is wide with very thick, large and protruding lips.
    Negro skin has a thick superficial horny layer which resists scratching and impedes the penetration of germs.
    The Negro has a larger and shorter neck akin to that of anthropoids.
    The cranial sutures are more simple than in the white type and close together earlier.
    The ears are roundish, rather small, standing somewhat high and detached thus approaching the simian form.
    The Negro is more powerfully developed from the pelvis down and the white more powerfully developed in the chest.
    The jaw is larger and stronger and protrudes outward which, along with lower retreating forehead, gives a facial angle of 68 to 70 degrees as opposed to a facial angle of 80 to 82 degrees for Europeans.
    The hands and fingers are proportionally narrower and longer. The wrist and ankles are shorter and more robust.
    The frontal and paricial bones of the cranium are less excavated and less capacious. The skull is thicker especially on the sides.
    The brain of the Negro on the average is 9 to 20% smaller than whites.
    The teeth are larger and are wider apart than in the white race.
    The three curvatures of the spine are less pronounced in the Negro than in the white and thus more characteristic of an ape.
    The femur of the Negro is less oblique, the tibia (shin bone) more curved and bent forward, the calf of the leg high and but little developed.
    The heel is broad and projecting, the foot long and broad but slightly arched causing flat soles, the great toe is shorter than in the white.
    The two bones proper of the nose are occasionally united, as in apes.


    The rate at which Blacks commit murder is thirteen times that of Whites; Rape and assault, ten times. These figures, as given by the F.B.I. reports, vary somewhat from year to year but fairly represent the trend for the past decade.

    According to the justice Dept, 1 in every 4 Black males between the ages of 20 and 29 is currently in prison or on probation or parole.

    Though only 12% of the U.S. population, Blacks commit more than half of all rapes and robberies and 60% of all murders in the U.S.
  10. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member


    She's talking culture, you idiot. Or lets hope so. If in fact her seperatist stand is a philosphical need for distinction and not that of the proletarian wanting to keep his blood 'pure' than it is understandable. In that case her word should be "culturalist", not "racist". One does not need skin color for distinction soo....

    "Diversity is a wonderful thing, one of the most wonderful aspects of the earth, but to limit it to skin color is both small-minded, and belies an utter lack of wisdom."- 15of19

    PLEASE shutup.

    The word is Freudian: Displacement.

    The shifting of intended targets, specifically when the initial target seems threatening.

    Now, this will be my last address to you Paul. In summation, I must say that your performance in this thread only proves your spiteful vindictiveness and your complete lack of focus fascilitates this idea I have of you being *only* a spurned scientist of low caliber. Your only wish is not that of discussion, the very thing that makes science a charming discipline. You only wish to make your target cow to you and say uncle.

    You're only a wrestler.


    Prevaling "dogma", huh? That one is as common as 'society'. But look at it, nice and neat, all perfectly outlined and addressed......... to Paulsmannuel.

    So long as I'm not dealing with some pampered intellectual with their white supremacy bullshit, I'm much obliged.

    Thus, we continue- religion, insecurity, conventions and assholism is global.
    We are human first.

    The bleaching of culture is obvious considering the consequences of globalism- the very "modern" adapting to this runaway vouge that is crushing everyone down to One Face to put on a McDonald's cup. I understand the dislike.

    However, you strike me as yet another one of those Amercian nerds with a shitty personality whose boldest, most signinficant if not only claim is heritage, its lineage. You said:

    "15ofthe19 fled, he sensed my supriour Slavic intelligence and cunning and ran away in terror."- Xev

    ..in which case, all the Gendankens of the world would be Slav and they're not.


    " Maybe it's just because I'm a Slav and thus of superiour racial stock, .......
    "- Xev

    Which strikes of the trailer park bulldog with his Confederate flag up in his window that keeps him in denial of only being a nigger.

    You see? I'll be the first to agree that grades are inflated nowadays for the sake of affirmitave action and that liberals in all factions dress up their very racist beliefs with quotas and handouts, yet I have to keep in mind you feel you are superior for reasons you had nothing to do with.

    This makes you lazy and Jewish. Like Athelstane getting a hard on everytime it is pointed out to him he's a Saxon, despite his being a lazy glutton. I'll leave it up to you to figure that one out.

    Question the first: would you breed outside of your lineage?
  11. Raithere plagued by infinities Valued Senior Member

    The question is not whether race exists or not. It does. It's popularly a classification made regarding superficial physical traits (skin color, hair texture, etc). The real question is whether these classifications, as they exist in the public mind (Negroid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid), have any significance. Biologically, they really don't. It's not that we cannot categorize certain traits or that a category has 'fuzzy boundaries' but that there are so many different ways to classify that no particular standard of categorization holds any particular significance. We might, for instance, categorize race by height ranges, the production of lactase into adult-hood, or even the occurrence of cystic fibrosis. When we do so we find that the categorizations are entirely intermingled. It's impossible to draw a line around any stereotypical group and designate it as a separate race.

  12. Big D Registered Senior Member

    Yes: Such differences are real and demonstrated by growing scientific evidence.

    For the past 20 years my research has focused on differences between the three major races, commonly termed Orientals (East Asians, Mongoloids), whites (Europeans, Caucasoids), and Blacks (Africans, Negroids). Roughly speaking, Orientals are those who have most of their ancestors from East Asia. Whites have most of their ancestors from Europe. And blacks have most of their ancestors from sub-Saharan Africa. In the main,I have not addressed the many other groups and sub-groups.

    What I've found is that in brain size, intelligence, temperament, sexual behavior, fertility, growth rate, life span, crime, and family stability, Orientals fall at one end of the spectrum, blacks fall at the other end and whites fall in between. On average, Orientals are slower to mature, less fertile, and less sexually active, and have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the opposite end in each of these areas. Whites fall in the middle, often close to Orientals.
  13. paulsamuel Registered Senior Member


    you should not be jealous or envious of Prof. Crick. give the man his due, he's earned it. what have you ever done except make stupid interjections where they're not wanted or needed?
  14. 15ofthe19 35 year old virgin Registered Senior Member

    See that's the difference in you and me gendy, I just can't make that presumption about the girl. She says such radically asshatish things on this forum, that for all I can tell, she really does believe in racial superiority.

    I try to take youth and ignorance into account, and give her the benefit of the doubt, but she seems to be prepared to die on this hill, and I'm certainly not about to stop her if that is what she is determined to do. I really don't have a dog in this hunt either way, but I know reason and logic when it's attacked with dogma and bullshit.

    Let me just echo what Raithere said. There are obvious "markers" out there the give evidence of our lineage, but that's all they are..."markers". They certainly don't prove the notion of a sub-species of homo sapiens. Race is a concept useful to us as humans as a vehicle for describing outwardly visible generalities of other people. But scientificly, it's fairly useless, and certainly becoming more obsolete every single day.
  15. Xev Registered Senior Member

    Fag, I don't care what his title is. One grants respect on action, not on aknowledgement of title.
    You're funny.

    For the record, Crick's mother is a slut who gives five dollar handjobs.

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    You can't even argue on your own, you simply howl and point to what someone else has said. Now - refute me or shut up.

    You're...tiresomely earnest. My Slavonic pride is to a great extent tounge in cheek - how you fail to notice this is quite beyond me. If I was the sort of person you attempt to caricature me as, then I would be prancing about talking about my superior Teutonic blood.

    Heritage is something one is mindful of - it's hardly something one is truely proud of.

    That said - we Slavs are the master race.

    Is this male pms I detect in you, or are you simply hurt that I don't respond to your inept attempts at cyber-courtship?

    Shut up, turn off the computer and get a life man. Or at least "don't have a life" in a productive way - by starting interesting topics and contributing interesting ideas.

    How foolishly pedagogical you all seem. My racial views are mild, and yet you are so troubled by the appearence of racism that you might subsume my superego's role for me. Sheep.
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  16. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

    She may and I have yet to hear those reasons. Even now I can almost hear a Wanderish echo of appeals to 'great civilizations' for those reasons though I'll give her more credit than to come up with something as predictable.

    However, there is no room for presumptions unless you just want to jump the gun and call her that stupid word of yours, "asshat". She said:

    "The current cultural trend is to take a bit of this and a bit of that from each culture. Ideology in the U.S, and increasing immigration in Europe, has led to a state in which the "universal human spirit" is simple marketing to the lowest common denominator."

    You have to leave room for discussion- she is clearly pointing out the modern trend nowadays of commercialized blending. I too do not like it. Its only those cute comments from yesterdays that need explanation.

    So long as you're not going to be there singing some lovesong about there being no such thing as 'race' then wonderful. However, there ARE internal differences as well as external, the same as what distinguishes masculine from feminine. Mental differences, spiritual differences.

    Ask Big D.

    (and call me a fluff bunny again and you're a dead man)
  17. paulsamuel Registered Senior Member

    my name is paulsamuel. if that misspelling was intended to be a joke or an insult, i don't get it.

    i should be so lucky, but I'll put you on ignore to be sure.

    how dare you think you can judge me! i'm completely open and made myself, my credentials, and my expertise available here (a huge mistake) and i've been attacked since day one. you, OTOH, have kept your background and identity and credentials quite secret. you could be posting from penitentiary for all we know.
  18. Xev Registered Senior Member

    Because most prisons give their inmates unlimited and uncensored internet access, and allow them to post on forums.
  19. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

    Attempts, lass, attempts. Only testing waters.

    Redemption in your last post and I like it- did not want to think of you as one of those characters that soil what they are with inanities. I concede.

    (never mind the Wanderer comment in my last post)

    Its a pride freely taken by those only credited with functional appendanges, a pulse, and the ability to breathe.

    How victorious it must be for the KKK to base all that they are on dead protein and melanin, don't you think? I know a few. Suffer.

    ....picked by Latins to shine their shoes. Kidding.


    He's tried with you as well?

    Read my comments in this post, disreagard the last one now that you've explained youurself. Testing waters.

    Not troubled, just trigger happy with those giving me reaons to. Had you been a fucking fluffbucket intimitating her appeareance being wholy central to her worth, I'd come at you the same way.
    So shove the sheep comment up 150f19's ass.
  20. 15ofthe19 35 year old virgin Registered Senior Member

    I thought I made this abundantly clear already, but apparently not. I'm already taken sweetie. If you're trying to compete with her, you're once again completely out of your league.

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    Don't give up though. Truthseeker is still available for you.

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    My wouldn't you two make a smashing couple...literally.
  21. paulsamuel Registered Senior Member

    you're an idiot.

    and you're a disgusting juvenille

    you've not made one point, one argument (valid or invalid) since I have known you. I have refuted you every time i've posted. you never have anything to say. you've never addressed even one point. you lack knowledge in every aspect of knowledge; science, logic, history, ethics, philosophy, etc. Th good thing is that the more you open your mouth, the more every one knows this about you.

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  22. Xev Registered Senior Member


    Good. Then stop harassing me here and stop sending me private messages. Geddit? I don't want to be your buddy, I don't want to be your pet, and I don't cyber. Your emphasis on personality here is repugnant and you're in need of a sound beating.

    I've been ignoring you - kindly return the favor.

    I'm half ready to take offense at that comment about redemption. I don't like this.
    I'm not a bigot, the Klan strikes me as a group of pathetic Christians trying to recapture their sense of privledge, I abhor Nazism, if I have any sympathy to fascism it's that on the Italian model. That said, I am not a fascist. I am a racist, but I am not a white supremicist and I've known nonwhites whom I considered to be on my own intellectual level.
    I am also not going to defend myself any longer.

    I lump them in the same group as "chivalrous" men - pale attempts to find self-worth by adhering to bygone ideals that would have accorded them status based on what they were born as.

    Charming Gendanken, we get all the boys. It's my winning fucking personality here, and my feminine fucking charms.

    If I did, he'd simply enjoy it and pretend I was Wanderer.
  23. Rappaccini Redoubtable Registered Senior Member

    How could I be jealous of him? I hardly know anything about Sir Crick except that you're treating him like he's a god and you're his inimitable paladin.

    I won't desecrate your holy-of-holies any longer, except to make it clear that when I'm not making unneeded "interjections," my Nihilist friends and I are boning your mom.

    The premise of this thread was rather strange to begin with, comrade.
    How can one deny the fact that race exists biologically?
    Differing phenotypes exist, do they not?
    Race is really just a word for skin color, after all.

    Additionally, maybe you shouldn't flaunt your credentials here.
    It's not like I or anyone else will believe you.

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