Witchfinder general gone: Ashcroft is jettisoned

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  1. Voodoo Child Registered Senior Member

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  3. jps Valued Senior Member

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    He's probly too openly nutty. My guess is Bush will replace him with someone who's at least as extreme, but better at using comforting euphemisms and more personable in general.
     
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  5. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    I've heard Racicot's name floating around.

    The last four years have been awful for Ashcroft. The people in his state preferred a dead man to John Ashcroft. He's embarrassed himself, been ridiculed and reviled, and heaven only knows what another four years of dealing with Zacarias Moussouai would do to his seemingly fragile mental health. I mean, if the nipple of Justice is too much for his sensitivities, this War on Terror thing has to be chewing him up inside. Sometimes I think his appointment was something to give him a brighter closing chapter to his career in public service than being beaten by a dead man and then whipped in court--especially when he had a reasonable case--by the dead man's wife. That still doesn't make sense to me, but if he can't make that argument, no wonder Moussouai is such a handful for him.

    (An explanation of the shadowy work of cats in general, although I don't recall if there were any calicos, can be foud in H. P. Lovecraft's The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath, one of the finest shadowy stories ever written.)

    Man, what would Ashcroft have done with a cancerous, mincing, Socialist misanthrope known for keelhauling the psychology of American Protestantism when not busy slandering dark skin? I mean, for a man like Ashcroft, the slandering of dark skin is the only plus on the list. What's a man like Ashcroft to do?

    I think his departure is a mutual agreement. From his side, he's probably tired. From any other view, he's rather incompetent and warped. That and he probably told Bush he wasn't going to end his career arguing against the Fourteenth Amendment. Even a man I hold in such low esteem as our outgoing Attorney General must necessarily carry with him some standard of dignity: "George, I've been beaten at the ballot box by a dead man; I was unable to figure out how to wrench the seat away from his wife; I can't take another day with that semi-literate whack job we're never going to convict: I've already trampled the Constitution and this office enough. Without a Constitutional Amendment, you're going to lose the damn gay thing, and there's nothing you or I can do about it. I'm not going out there to do this one. No. I've put in too much to carry this last stain on my family's name."

    And hey, Racicot might be a good choice as far as Bush is concerned. The man has public experience and managed to help Bush win an election among the people. And he's soulless, to boot.

    Trifecta.

    He's doing better than Ashcroft.

     
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  7. Insanely Elite Questions reality. Registered Senior Member

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    It's a good start, I'll admit.
    Now if only half a hundred more go will I applaud.
    Who's taking his place? Where is he going?

    "Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss"-The Who
     
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  9. Insanely Elite Questions reality. Registered Senior Member

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    Is this is the same Gonzales that the rubberstamp senate did not confirm for a judgeship? It is isn't it. He was the only 1 of like 60 nominees not to be approved because he refused to answer any questions. Then the right began screaming that Christian views are unfairly targeted in the process. Don't give us back Ashcroft but at least send the olive branch across the isle. 1st appointment is Gonzales. Rejected from confirmation, now appointed to a place where he can do greater harm.

    Welcome to Bushes concept of reaching across the isle.
     
  10. Insanely Elite Questions reality. Registered Senior Member

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    Well, I just heard Layhe (D) say that Gonzales was not a contentious nominee.
    Also my mistake, the AG needs confirmation too.

    I wonder what back door deals have transpired to give Gonzales a pass.

    "Geneva conventions are quaint, Sodomize those ragheads" yeah noncontentious.
     
  11. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, a supporter of human rights abuse is just what this country needs for an Attorney General.

    And while we're on that subject, here's my nod to Oregon: Have fun, y'all. Here comes the AG one more time. Rejecting equal protection isn't enough to save you from revenge for voting for Kerry. Enjoy, do the job, stand the line. But, frankly, another round on Sixteen is the least of what Oregon deserves right now.

    I know, I know. You tried. And they've gotta win one eventually. I understand, but it's frustrating. So please, please, please do your part and browbeat your local Republicans for the Bush Administration's latest revival of its attempt to render your ballot box meaningless. And, certainly, be merciless in reminding your conservative neighbors of what they've invited to Oregon. (And tell them once for me to go screw, eh?)
     
  12. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    I thought that Ashcroft was one of the few sincere people in this administration. I disagree with him on just about everything that's of any importance, but somehow, despite all of his craziness, he seemed to me like an honorable opponent. A friend of mine knew him personally from his days in the Missouri statehouse, and he says the same thing. You feel like no matter what the guy says, at least he's being straight with you and you know where he stands.

    I'm getting so tired of sleazy politicians who have no position on anything, who tell us whatever we want to hear and then go off and do exactly what their corporate handlers want. I'm ashamed to say this about my country: Ashcroft was a breath of fresh air.

    I sincerely doubt that his replacement will make life better in America.
     
  13. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    I cannot disagree. He is an individual whose actions and words always matched.

    John Ashcroft is a square. No doubt about it. A very religious, very "uncool" guy. But in his heart, I believe him to be a decent person and honest to a fault. Many people made fun of him when he lost to Carnahan's widow, but few of us knew the complete circumstances: when Carnahan died, Ashcroft stopped campaigning out of respect for the dead. And when the Democrats pulled a fast one and got his widow on the ticket (an action that has all kinds of legal challenges available to it), Ashcroft refused on the grounds that the woman had been through enough. He actually took some heat from Republicans for not contesting that election, but he stood on principle.

    Additionally, although much has been made of him covering up the nude statues, he did so in response to what was a rather insensitive move by the media - they set up their cameras in a new position so that when Ashcroft was speaking he'd have a naked breast in the frame with him. The last AG was never shot that way. Ashcroft responded by covering the statue, and we ridiculed him for that.

    Even as a "leftie" I have to say that he was never the demon we often made him out to be.

    :m: Peace.
     
  14. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    I'll raise a pipe to Fraggle's point, but the first response to mind invokes Godwin's law. Other people in history have been sincere.

    He may have been an honorable opponent inasmuch as he preferred a straight fight, but he's the Attorney General on the one hand, and one who seems by his actions to despise the U.S. Constitution on the other.

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    Ertlet, Steve. "Oregon Governor Slams Attorney General's Appeal of Assisted Suicide Case". LifeNews.com, November 11, 2004. See http://www.lifenews.com/bio560.html
     
  15. cardiovascular_tech behind you with a knife Registered Senior Member

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    I can feel the bashing on me now, I support Ashcroft for many reason I guess mainly because I grew up living next to his parents in Spingfield Mo and attended the same schools as him and he was well known for is work in Missouri but I do think he is good at what he does and goes with his beliefs towards things but tries to be fair. By the way Bush didn't give him the boot he wanted to leave don't know where that came from but Bush did not give him the boot.
     
  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Ashcroft: crazy theologian, but honorable and honest, that why he could not last in this administration anymore.

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  18. Gravity Deus Ex Machina Registered Senior Member

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    Now . . . think the plan is to make him a member of the Supremes now?

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  19. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Doesn't Ashcroft have to have been a judge first?
     
  20. cardiovascular_tech behind you with a knife Registered Senior Member

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    Ashcroft has never been a Judge, I believe he is going to take a break from government for awhile due to failing health, if he does return I look for him to return higher or atempt to return higher then he was. He was back in 2000 ask to run as Bush Vice Pres. runner but declined who knows why or what his plans are, maybe his plans are to run in 2008 but thats just speculation.
     
  21. Gravity Deus Ex Machina Registered Senior Member

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    There are actually no specific requirements! You could have never practiced law in your life on any level, and be appointed! However, they do have to be confirmed by Congress - and I doubt that would happen for somebody totally unqualified . . . but Ashcroft? They might be psycho-brain enough to try!
     
  22. cardiovascular_tech behind you with a knife Registered Senior Member

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    Ashcroft would never want to be appointed there trust me
     
  23. Gravity Deus Ex Machina Registered Senior Member

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    I hope he runs for higher office, he would get stomped.
     

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