Windows vs Linux [It's own thread]

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  1. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Probably due to kernel rebuilds to deal with installation bugs/errors where you have to attempt to install more than once the same OS. Obviously Linux systems when up can be more stable, unless you install crap you don't need then it starts getting cluttered and you open a number of potential exploit routes.

    The NT File system gave the ability to have multiple user levels in the Windows OS, obviously it was nothing new to Linux, but then again it was nothing new to Unix either. However XP also allowed users to install to FAT32, this might have just been backwards compatibility for older drives which couldn't handle NTFS without giving out error's but also if a user wanted to flatten their user levels to a psuedo-single user. (I say Pseudo-single user, because technically there is an Administrator account that only gets used during Safemode and why people sometimes got the error message saying they didn't have "Administration privileges" while they had the Main "Administrator" named account)

    So in a nut shell XP was a Cross between both branches, the original Windows line and the NT branch.
     
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  3. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    I never made any such claim about the most prevalent OS! LIAR! YOU however tried to shift the focus from your lie about MS revenue to state that Linux was the most prevalent OS, and were proven wrong, and that honour went to ITRON.

    You are now trying to redefine the terms of debate, but still not specifying any distinction between versions of Linux vs which versions of MS OS's, which is dishonest, and you aren't backing up your claim with any data.

    Of course though, there is no good data, so you cannot accurately substantiate your claim. Most home users use MS OS's on their PCs. Most businesses use MS OS's on their desktops. YOU have no way of knowing how many Linux downloads translate into how many installs, or if those installs are dual boot, so you're not crossing one of the preinstalled OS list! You also probably are being dishonest and not counting the number of people that are running illegal versions of MS OS's, which you cannot account for.

    When it comes to Servers, MS and Linux installs are fairly even in my experience. You haven't differentiated between Server and Desktop versiosn of Linux though, nor on what type of processor you claim they it's running on. Again, more vague nonsense from you.

    Yeah, you said it, but it means nothing. Like I said, the NT development chain started with LAN Manager! The technology has been built on. But that doesn't change the fact that you specified 'old tech XP' in your lie about MS revenue.

    Not at all. You keep telling lies, and making unsubstantiated claims.

    And you got it WRONG.
     
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  5. Diode-Man Awesome User Title Registered Senior Member

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    Read a massive book to learn Linux.

    Read the help files and talk to your technician: Learn Windows
     
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  7. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    What a pack of total f-wits.
     
  8. Gustav Banned Banned

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    i say!
    can't we all just get along?

    /saddened
     
  9. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Just because we don't agree with the lies you have told we are f-wits?

    How about you try and rescue some cred and substantiate just one claim you have made?
     
  10. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    How about you shut your yap the hell up?
    And stop lying about Miscrosnit or keep yapping on about bloody ITRON - you had no idea what it was before last week.

    I know linux is the most installed OS on the planet - that's the Western planet, the one that remains singularly unconcerned about what the Japanese or the Chinese are up to, because of the substantial industry in the West based on standards and conventions.
    When the Asians invent something good or useful, Western tech companies might have go at bringing it to Western markets - it doesn't happen often in the computing domain.

    Calling me a liar means you must also be some sort of blinkered idiot - you've already mentioned PDAs and cellphones. Any other devices you can think of with an OS installed in them...?
    No?
     
  11. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Stryder, please clean up this garbage.
     
  12. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    You clearly didn't. What lies have I told about Microsoft? Feel free to quote me. Oh, you can't, another LIE.

    Redefining your lies still means you are a liar. You got it wrong, and are now trying to crawl out of the hole you dug.
     
  13. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Avatar, contribute, or shut up.
     
  14. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Ok, I was lying, I'm wrong you're right. There is no such thing as linux; it isn't installed on almost every router, switch, DSL modem, cellphone, PDA, washing machine, fridge, stove, car or other vehicle, DVD player, or in every industrial control device you care to name, or just about anywhere there are devices in use.

    No, Microsoft, is the leader - everyone wants a router with MS running on it, obviously all those device manufacturers got it all wrong. And now ITRON is the leader in Western technology too.

    How does it feel, being so obviously, overwhelmingly right about all that, then?
     
  15. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Cisco routers and switches use IOS, before that CatOS, which was a Unix variant, but not Linux. I've only used Cisco network hardware, but they are the market leader somewhat. I've also managed phone switches that used Unix variants, but they were not Linux.


    I have owned several, and none have run Unix, all have had proprietary OS's

    Nokia/Samsung/Sony etc use proprietary OS's, with Symbian, Windows mobile, and Linux in last place at about 5% of smartphone OS's. I think Motorola had a Linux variant on one phone for a while.

    Symbian, PALM OS, Windows Mobile, with Linux at the rear.

    The largest share would be ITRON, already covered.

    I never said MS were the dominant OS. You seem to be trying to make that the battle, but it's just another of your distractions from the lie you told about MS revenue.

    Pretty good actually. You keep digging yourself a bigger hole and it's fun to watch.

    Tell you what, why don't you back up some of your claims with a link or two? Maybe some figures, and sources?
     
  16. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I have a Linksys router that can run Linux, but I haven't installed Linux on it, because the default firmware is good enough.
     
  17. Enterprise-D I'm back! Warp 8 Mr. Worf! Registered Senior Member

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    IMO, Linux is not ready for desktop distribution. General computer users are not prepared to troll forums looking for the method to install a printer on their particular flavour of Linux. (Hell, I refuse to and I've got 11 years of IT experience, from server deployment to configuring routers and switches). Basic tasks on the "wrong" Linux distro can become Herculean, demanding 90 mins of time per driver or other issue.

    Why put your poor mum under undue stress with Linux (or yourself for 6 unnecessary hours per week solving simple problems for her), when Windows XP or Vista will present a much less challenging UI...even for their problem solving. Thus leaving mum with more time to enjoy her digital photo album or the latest Martha Stewart updates.

    Linux's best usage is specialized or niche installs, especially server centric functions and/or where a "lesser" chance of a security breach is desirable.
     
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  18. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Symbian is a linux derivative.
    ITRON is a recent development.

    The fact is linux, being far more portable than anything MS could ever dream of kluging together, has been the default choice of manufacturers of devices - like comms equipment.
    Cisco uses (a) linux (variant) as well as the Unix one they developed previously. Any argument about Unix and linux being different is as valid as any MS groupie saying XP and Vista are different. It's a matter of your blinkered POV.

    I mean linux obviously was developed from Unix - specifically for Intel machines, and because Torvalds saw an opportunity to build something from the ground up, bypassing all the shoehorning with existing Unix releases.

    Since it hit the street, manufacturers of all sorts of equipment have adopted it. Equipment like all that stuff I mentioned, and a bit I haven't mentioned.
    When is someone going to provide evidence that MS and ITRON rule the roost in the industrial world? How many ITRON devices have been installed in anything or any place here in the real world? That means: the West - the one the Japs and Chinese and Koreans copy all the time?

    But I'm currently wasting my time here digging a tunnel out of this shithole, at this point. I won't see you later, or ever again. I have nothing to say to a total wanker.
     
  19. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Vkothii, the thing you fail to distinguish, and the reason your argument fails, is that for an OS to qualify as being Linux, it has to adhere to the GNU GPL and be derived from the open source code. There is a significant difference therefore between Unix ports, and 'Linux' OS's.

    Oh, and Symbian is a derivative of Psion's PDA OS, EPOC, not Linux. It might be heading towards an open source market, but it started off as a proprietary OS. It's an RTOS too, something that Linux isn't.

    BTW, your backpeddling that 'the West' is the real world, when Japan and China produce so much electronics is just pathetic revisionism. ITRON rules the roost, and you have failed to back up your claim that Linux is more prevalent in 'the West' even.

    Yet again, you got PWNED.
     
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  20. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    What does a linux derivative have to qualify as?
    Or substantial parts of whatever you or anyone else decides is linux?

    Just as someone is happy to be nice and specific and apply distinctions found in some PC lexicon, someone else is just as happy to be all general and annoyingly not stick to someone's distinctions.

    Symbian was developed on the same processor, the ARM, as ports of linux were at the time, and I believe more than a few parts of it came from ports or libraries that came from linux - I might have that detail wrong, but nonetheless linux bits are everywhere, mostly because it's already portable, small, reliable and usable in lots of things.

    So how many comms, or control equipment manufacturers ship ITRON installed goods these days I wonder?
     
  21. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    That's your problem, right there; faith, and not knowledge.
     
  22. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Right, you believe Microsoft are going to survive in the commercial market because their OS releases are so good, except that's only one part of a bigger picture as you also know but keep going on as if it isn't.

    You must know all about what a kernel is then, and why MS NT technology hasn't really been taken in the direction they could have taken it, because they've clung to a paradigm. What the difference is between Unix and a "true" VMS. Why the DEC VAX hasn't survived but the guts, the tech has in newer designs; what micro-parallelism is, all that stuff.
     
  23. CharonZ Registered Senior Member

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    :bugeye: I was always under the impression that Japan ruled the electronics market....
     
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