Will There Be A WWIII. Thoughts?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by clayton, Mar 31, 2010.

  1. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    it takes people to extract resources, and i am sure if you had a choice to drive you're rig to a mine or oil field, and keep your troops suppled and fighting so you don't get killed by a bomb or taking over by a communist dictator, your going to do it, weather or not the money is there to pay you at the time or not.

    you will be owed this money(which is not actually money), which still means that the war machine and what ever is needed to win this war will move on with out current money, at the time.

    i mean you all are bitching about the cost of this war, and shit, and if worse came to worse yes it would collapse, because there is no real threat to any of us in the west. but if there was a threat to us, a simple thing like peices of worthless over printed usa curriencies would not stop the war, nore any other worthless peices of paper.


    wow i can not beleive you don't understand this concept. money really isn't that important, when it comes to a war on the scale of a world war.

    oh and those of you who don't want to work because there is no money, you were just drafted enjoy.
     
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  3. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    Actually the US military have been hacked into countless times, but very very rarely did it do significant damage....USA is more vulnerable to cyberwars then you think.
     
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  5. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    I have been trying to tell him Canada's military sucks the entire time!
     
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  7. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    By history ofcourse. There was a famous picture of him walking in the water of a beach his men had just taken. After it was taken he went back to the boat, changed his uniform, and had men carry him to shore so that he didn't get wet. Then there was the Korean war. We conquered Korea. Then MacArthur decided to attack China. We lost so bad we were nearly driven from Krea. Until we swung around and hit them from the East coast, making the 38th parralel the Neutral Zone again. He was fired for his terrible decision.

    If you want to look at a General who cared about his men, look at Eisenhower. He was a truly great man. Made one heckuva President too.
     
  8. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Shogun, the reason why their arrogance was their downfall was the warrior code of Bushido. As I'm guessing you should know is that one of the core tenants is that when you go on the offenssive you go all out on your attacks, to neglect your attacks for protection is to show weakness or cowardness. You see this influence in the zero, they put all their effort into making it a fine offenssive dogfighter, but the second it had to play defense it was a worthless plane.

    You saw this element in their land based attacks too. They attacked in waves of troops charging enemy positions. They would charge and would not even think about taking cover, and they were mowed down by the hundreds. ie, at Guadalcanal the commanding officer ordered 250 "elite" Japanese troops to charge across a shallow river with the full and complete knowledge that the Americans had dozens of machine guns, two 37mm cannons with canister shot, mortars, light and medium howitzers. And he also knew as a fact that those Americans not only outnumbered those 250 men but knew they were coming. Those 250 men were slaughtered before they crossed the stream. And those were their elite soldiers. By the end of those sets of battles, it had multiple times, an entire Japanese advance party of 800+ elite veterancs plus the commanding officer had been wiped out with only 30 surviving to escape. Only 60-90 Americans had been killed.

    Another stupendous show of this is in MAGIC, by Midway the Americans had decoded JN-25, the Japanese navy's highest level of encryption. The rule of thumb is to replace a code once a year because that's how long they would stay secure for. Japanese commanders whom had no experiance in the matter thought their code to be unbreakable and never changed it, whenever some major or even lower ranked crypto expert told them otherwise they charged them with cowardice. The decryption of MAGIC lead DIRECTLY to the death of Admiral Yamamoto. Yamamoto was touring the Japanese defenses and through an intercept the Americans got a hold of his schedule. They ambushed his transport plane, unescorted, and shot it down with ease. Even with the loss of their highest admiral they did not think JN-25 was compromised even though the chances that it was a coincidence was 1 in a million.
     
  9. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    I don't like MacArthur either. He was a terrible commander. China ignored us after we were driven from North Korea, all they wanted was North Korea to stay communist. Other examples for generals that cared about his men are Paulus and the Dessert Fox

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  10. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    The reason it doesnt do damage is that all sensitive info is kept in servers inside a giant farraday cage disconnected from the internet. The best antivirus in real life is to live in a giant bubble. Same idea here.

    Even than, considering how fast we figured out it was China, I think we let China into it, most good hack hunters actually let you come into the server close enough so they can grab you, figure out where you are, and hack your computer. Often times opening your ports for a hack attempt can distract your computer from another hacker tunnelling into your own. That's why the rule of thumb for corporate hackers is that if it seems to easy, get the f*** out.
     
  11. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    oh i know china, and other communist governments have hacked into your cyber space, exactly with little damage, if some rogue nation or back stabbing Allie did cause damage, how much you want to bet all there sites and there Connection to the net will be shut off with in seconds.
     
  12. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, Yamamoto's plan was shot out of the sky. I know it is stupid, but fact is that is what they did. It wasn't arrogance, it is that they placed complete trust in their superiors and the Emperor. Pride also played a factor. I agree that Zero sucked for defense. I don't like how they thought that their Tenno ( Emperor ) was Kamisama ( god/divine being ), he is sure as hell not god

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    . I prefer the new Japan over the old one. The Prime Minister also played a major factor in the defeat, so is the fact that the Emperor was weak and didn't interfere. It is funny how the troops were shouting Tenno Hekai Banzai, while it was the Prime Minister that was actually commanding them ( just like the Shogunate, where the Shogun was actually in command ). Nippon Banzai was more appropriate. I think Japan learned their lesson.
     
  13. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    ehhh, he was a great commander, he was just a sh1tty politician. youve got to admit his strategies were ingenious, but whenever he tried to do something related to politics he really screwed it up.
     
  14. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    Erwin Rommel was the last Knight of Europe, so to speak. He was feared, and honored by his enemies. His men loved him, and he loved them. He was the greatest General of WWII, and a supreme tactician. Eisenhower even respected the man.
     
  15. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, what I think we'd do is puppeteer their computers, why turn off your enemies computers when you can make them dance around like puppets

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    . There are even a few theoretical hacks that probably have been made by the US that can literally disable and destroy a computer indefinitely. They basically destroy all info on your harddrive, and disable any and every input device from USB ports, to keyboards, video monitors, and even to CD drives.
     
  16. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    They were great plans, but the man was absolutely obsessed with the Phillipines. To the point were he blamed the man he left in charge there for retreating.
     
  17. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Macarthur was a great general. When he was in command of the phillipines they regularly had to drag him back because he was in serious danger of being killed, one Japanese patrol got within 30 meters of him once. They literally had to drag him off the island at the last minute in a PT boat.
     
  18. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    That attitude will only last for so long: if you and your family can't buy food how does patriotism keep you going?

    And once more: how do you pay the bills with money you are owed? How do you buy food with money you haven't got now?

    And that further illustrates your ignorance of the entire subject.

    And I can't believe that you seem to think your (unqualified and uneducated) opinion stacks up against the facts of history.

    Smart move. So you'll draft (daft??) all the qualified workers (i.e. those who build the war machines) and put them in the front line.
    Now explain to me where the military will get its equipment. And how it will pay for it. And how it will feed the troops.
     
  19. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, he was right about that. And it wasn't the men, it was this a hole of a general. you see, he knew the philipines was falling, so he started setting up a guerrilla operation, setting up hidden supply caches and training soldiers. Than they send a message from Washington saying he is to move his flag to Australia. That is so it doesn't get captured, it doesn't mean he's removed. He left with the garuntee he was going to return, instead they tricked him and sent in some other general that screwed up all the hard work Macarthur had done. He surrendered to the Japanese before the Guerrilla operation could start. Hell, the Japanese hadn't even started to attack his position, he had months of supplies and ammunition and 30,000 able soldiers and plus, it was fortress corregidor, they were on a thin peninsula attached to the main land by a land bridge only a couple of miles wide and dozens of miles long. It was the perfect chokepoint. When macarthur was there the Japanese attempted several landings that were annihalated. The second he left the island this General that was sent by some feather merchant surrendered. That is why he said he was coming back, he felt betrayed and the filipinos felt betrayed.
     
  20. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    His tactics were ingenious yes, but he failed to see the bigger picture.
     
  21. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Shogun, do you mind if we go over to scifleet? Its just that its somewhat hard to make Omega's, yours, and my times match up this perfectly.
     
  22. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    General Patton is also one of my favorites. He was one tough S.O.B, but he got the job done. He was a better General then Montgomery.
     
  23. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    how can you say that about a millitary with a history as our canadian Millitary, wow..
     
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