Will Religion or god(s) be the down fall of Humanity ?

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by river, Aug 22, 2013.

  1. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    Multi quoting should be banned.
     
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  3. Balerion Banned Banned

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    What do you think the space-time continuum is, exactly? I'd like your definition of it.

    I'm pretty confident you don't know what any of those things actually are. In any event, the laws of physics and constants aren't things, they're just maths. They're concepts. You can't run faster than 6mph because the stuff you're made of and its interaction with your environment won't allow it. Why do you think universal constants and limits are any different? Why must there be some agency behind it?

    Um...what?

    Again, you're obviously expecting to find a celestial crossing guard, but I see no reason why you would, except for your religious preconceptions. It certainly has nothing to do with science.
     
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  5. Balerion Banned Banned

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    So should you. Care to engage in the discussion, or are you just here to troll?
     
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  7. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Notice how the crackpot/crank poses irrelevant questions to draw attention to themselves and their crank assertions in some vain hope of gaining credibility.

    Look at me! Look at me! My religious beliefs are great value to science! Oh please, won't anyone look at me! Please!
     
  8. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    Perhaps there is a celestial existence of angels and other entities. Lot's of people, including myself, have seen them. It hasn't been proven to exist yet, but a lot of good people believe it. It doesn't violate the laws of physics, or common sense, like time travel and multiworld beliefs do.
     
  9. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    Have you described to us the circumstances around seeing the angels?
     
  10. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    Near death experiences, sleep paralysis, astral projection, psychic experiences, participation in Spiritualist churches, meditation,...
     
  11. Balerion Banned Banned

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    What is a "multiworld" belief? Are you referring to the multiverse? Because there's no violation of the laws of physics there.

    What you think you've seen are angels. What really happened is that you had delusional experiences. Those happen quite often.

    And I notice you've completely ducked my questions. Obviously you can't define the words you throw around so much.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation
    Yes there are spectacular violations of energy conservation, speed of light, gravity...
    I don't think so, it was too real.
    Do you mean this question?
    It's made of something invisible/undetectable, something that I call spirit, which also means that it's not material, which you have failed to define for me. You said that EVERYTHING in reality was material. Which shows that you are severely mistaken. Show some intellectual integrity and admit it.
     
  13. Ripley Valued Senior Member

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    Honestly, I don't think religion—or god(s)— could contribute to the downfall of humanity. Humanity, as history shows, is quite resilient when it comes to ideological wars, territorial wars, even economical ones. Because all of these have in common a distinct desire to survive. Hence the contre-coeur ability to compromise in anticipation of opportunity. No, if a culprit to humanity's destruction is feasibly opportunistic, it'll be something hidden—something that can no longer be… negotiated with.
     
  14. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    The whole idea of the "downfall of humanity" implies that humanity is up there somewhere, in some exalted position from which it could fall.
    But is that even true?
     
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    More than likely it will be carbon based. Religion's affect will be its contribution to ignorance and delusion but that will vary with time and location.
     
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  16. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Sad but true. And part of that ignorance and delusion will be their contribution to the harm to the climate, at least from the ideological standpoint and the way they impact public policy.
     
  17. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    The good news is that the planet will survive. We might not however

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  18. Ripley Valued Senior Member

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    Humanity has such a grand projection of itself; such theatrics! In fact, in my opinion, that's where humanity's true talents lie, and what it would best be suited to export to a more magnificent galactic civilization: a talent for the theater, and for its production.

    Everybody on this planet postures, the floral dictation—or the stern emphasis; the resounding emotion, the finger, the grimace… the threat—or the seductive earnest. Politicians act like politicians, scientists act like scientists, clergy act like clergy, artists act like artists, tycoons act like tycoons, anarchists act like anarchists, humanitarians act like humanitarians… it's all so perfectly versed. And where there's no appetite to "act" — like the homeless, the underprivileged, refugees, "collateral damaged" bystanders… like extras in a film, these are all reduced to nameless stooges and incoherent background garb of a more fantastic plot: a privileged drama involving the high and mighty elite: it's all their story. It's the elite who most fear a downfall — or should I say, a curtain fall.

    The rest of us? We are critics. Acting like critics.
     
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    Okay, not the same thing. I'm not familiar with the many-worlds interpretation.

    That's what everybody says.

    Well, you're flat wrong on all counts. Spacetime isn't immaterial. It's also perfectly detectable. So the very premise of your idiotic idea is entirely wrong. Then comes the absolutely ridiculous leap in logic to "undetectable = immaterial" which is bogus, followed by the even more absurd "undetectable = spirit" which is something you've pulled out of your ass and have no evidence whatsoever to support. It's just claim after claim after claim, with no substantive arguments.

    While you're sitting out your ban for being a totally insane fuckwit, consider changing how you approach these online interactions. Just because we can't see your face and don't know your name doesn't mean you should act like a scumbag, and it doesn't mean you should be intellectually dishonest. You've tried bullying people into agreeing with you, and it hasn't worked. Maybe if you let go of your delusions and take on new ideas, you might find yourself in a better standing in the community, and your stay here might be more enjoyable. It will certainly be longer, because tirades like the one you pulled with a mod isn't going to fly.
     
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    Space-time is a math construct that helps us model what we see. But one needs to be careful about over interpreting space-time beyond a useful and practical system of tools. Let us break this down logically. What is space? It is that nothing between something. How do you curve nothing? You can curve something, but nothing has nothing to curve. But we say space=nothing is curved because the math works easier. What really happens is similar to a jet fight windshield display. We see the grids of math overlap nothing=space. The grid curves within our mind's eye= imagination.

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    Let us look at time. Can you save time in a bottle? The answer is no since it has no substance either. Time is a concept to define changes of state such as position or changes due to aging. When we freeze food it lasts longer. We increase the time until change of state makes the food no longer fit for human consumption. Therefore cold adds time to food. We can do this in the lab, right?

    Time begins in the brain. The brain has brain cells called pacer cells. These have a cyclic rhythm. These cells provide a ground state by which time perception of the brain is gauged. Picture a metronome used to help with timing. This becomes the standard, and can then be multiplied and divided to get other increments of time. An animal can gauge its moving prey, based on space and its own metronome time. The brain has it own equations and can process this events in real time. Human then invented an external pacer called the second, which scales up to days, weeks, months and years, or the other way to nanoseconds.
     
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    Space is not nothing. Space-time is the fabric of the universe. Everything we see is just a wrinkle in that fabric.

    The bottle itself is made of space-time. The "emptiness" inside it is also made of space-time - i.e. the bottle is already full of space-time.
     
  22. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Odd, how the elite gets to decide what is to be deemed "humanity." Odd, how those who are definitely not part of the elite, take on the elite's ideas. Apparently, that's the non-elite's act.
     
  23. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    And, who are these "elite" exactly?
     

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