Why was Eastern Australia settled first?

Discussion in 'History' started by Epictetus, May 23, 2012.

  1. Bells Staff Member

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    Barnett is a fool.

    Western Australia is important for its income from mining, but it should also not be uisng that position to blackmail the rest of the country to get what it wants. It does not receive as much in the GST distribution since its population base is much smaller than that of the other States. Doesn't the State also benefit from a portion of the mining income it receives?

    And welcome back. I hope you have been well?
     
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  3. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    This principle of "identity under pressure" seems how national/racial (and perhaps even personal) identity develops in general anyway.
     
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  5. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Do record yourself and put it on Youtube or another file-sharing site.
    You can do just the audio.
     
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  7. Bells Staff Member

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    Google 'ocker accent' and you might be able to hear a recording of how he sounds like.

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    *hides*


    Which games are you currently playing Marquis? Let me guess, D3 and SWTOR?
     
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    oh
    that's quite the relief
    keep up the good work

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  9. Gustav Banned Banned

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    This land is your my land, this land is my land
    From Perth to the City of Sydney
    From Steep Point to the Cape Byron waters
    This land was stolen for you me and mine.

    As I went walking that ribbon of highway
    I saw above me that polluted skyway
    I saw below me that strip-mined valley
    This land was stolen for you me and mine.

    I raped and I pillaged and I followed my destiny
    To the sparkling sands of her uranium deserts
    While all around me the devil was sounding
    This land was stolen for you me and mine. ​
     
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  10. Bells Staff Member

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    You might find this an interesting read:

    http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/Aboriginal-Australians-the-oldest-culture-on-Earth.htm

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/genes-map-aborigines-arrival-in-australia/story-e6frg8y6-1226144089835


    I don't think I would agree with the last part of your comment. I do think they became more united in the last 60 years because of the adversity they had faced up to that point and the crux of it would have been as they fought against the white Australia policy, not to mention towards the end of the stolen children debacle which was part of the white Australia policy.

    Then again, being described as "fauna" tends to expediate the whole 'forming an identity' thing.
     
  11. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Native Americans on another continent are a "remarkable people" but also many peoples, languages, customs and heritages.
    The factor that I used in calling them remarkable in this particular case is this:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11543898

    But remarkable to me also means living within the means of the land, not doing as all nations do today.
     
  12. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    I like the Australian actors in the generic made-for-export films, who seem so plausibly American until a pan across an average looking Gotham City sweeps past the Sydney opera house.

    We could probably open a thread on anglophonics and tie in the subtle psychological effects of interpreting timbre in voiced speech. Come to think of it, I'd like to hear a Scottie, an Aussie and a South African in an heated argument. Maybe throw in a German, a Norwegian and a Swede for effect, and have someone keep insisting that they all speak English. For motive, make the topic a question of who has the best beer (while the German is busy looking for the loo) or maybe best football.

    Imagine my puzzlement when, during a business trip to China with an Aussie co-worker, he kept asking "Do you know where I can buy a bake?" to which I kept asking "You mean a bakery?" (Making some vague connection to the English biscuit, that perhaps vernacular breaks down whenever dough is involved.)

    This loop was finally broken when, in exasperation, he demanded "No! I mean a BASICAL!"
     
  13. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Why? Australians speak normally, its the rest of you with accents

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    Actually i think that the normal Australian Accent (not the broud one which the actors tippically try to rip off) is related to one of the US accents. I cant even hear an accent in most US TV shows or some British ones either (for instance David Tennant on Doctor who when he wasnt talking in his scottish accent). It was actually facinating when the guy who plays Dinozzo of NCIS made an Australian Promo for the show, at that point i could hear his accent because he was talking in his normal voice where as on the show itself i cant pick one

    Maybe im being stupid but i have no idea what your refering to here
     
  14. Bells Staff Member

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    The pronounciation would probably gone along the lines of "buyake".. Where the "i" is drawn out and murdered, revived, only to be slaughtered again..

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    I used to work with a guy who had that 'ocker' accent and even after having lived here since I was a child, I still did not understand what he said half the time and kept having to ask him to repeat himself. He used to laugh at me when I said "dance".. because I never pronounced it "daaiiiace"..
     
  15. Epictetus here & now Registered Senior Member

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    Thank you for your studied and lengthy reply Marquis. It is just the sort of answer I was looking for, by which I don't mean that I am gratified that you support what I had already supposed, but that I hoped a 'true Australian' would supply all the details of what anyone could have surmised. Yes, I understand that most of the continent was terra incognito when the first fleet(s) arrived, but given that the Dutch were in Batavia, and the Javanese hadn't ever been secretive about their own existence, this seppo would have thought that people would have surmised that Australia has a western coast quite removed from its eastern one. And thanks, I hadn't known the west was as bleak as all that!

    Anyway, putting all that aside, I am mostly compelled to address your remarks quoted above. I am glad you took no offense on my characterizations of your people - shows that fine Aussie sense of humor.

    I want to say that while I am no relation to the pilgrims on The Mayflower my sister-in-law is a direct descendant of one or more, so the scion of my family is as now blue-blooded as a Yank can get. It is true they were religious nutcases, but here's what is interesting: having settled in a bountiful land, these prim forefathers of ours who would not dance or play cards, found themselves over the next twenty or thirty years become cattle barons and landowners of vast and valuable properties. So what became of their vow of poverty then? Well, they were only human and by and large gave into living the good life. But here's the thing: my nation was founded by prudes and yours by prisoners, and even though those individuals may have changed their ways in their own lifetimes, they have forever influenced the character of our respective nations. So that today we see Americans are church-goers concerned with human rights and working hard to get ahead (even our convicts think that way), and Australians are surfing party animals (even the hard-working church-going sort)!

    Golly! I wish I was an Aussie!
     
  16. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    He wanted to buy a bicycle, thinking he could get an excellent deal as there were many bike factories in the area.
     
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  18. Epictetus here & now Registered Senior Member

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    Oh. Because I am awake when you are? That's classified. I'll admit to being in the Vietnam timezone and let's leave it at that please. I love you Australians, I really do, so carefree and sodded most of the time; you're like elves, just bigger and more unshaven.

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  19. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Dont you mean we are like dwarves?

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    Or is that reserved for the English Soccor supporters

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  20. Epictetus here & now Registered Senior Member

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    Well Azz, we discussed the Brits previously, so you know my view. The Poms would be Orcs. When I say Aussies are like elves I mean the fun-loving, drinking and singing aspect as well as the lithesome and lean blonde females. You see what I mean though? None of you are offended by any of this, while I can bet some Brit is going to come down on me for my 'orc slur', but then again what Brit would even deign to read a thread about Australia?
     
  21. Bells Staff Member

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    We wax..

    Our legs, boards and lyrical..

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  22. Gustav Banned Banned

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    indeed...


    Why so many South Africans are moving to Australia

    Van der Merwe had never been out of South Africa before and was visiting
    Bondi Beach, Australia . He spotted a long line of black dots out in the
    water and said to an Aussie who was sitting close by, "Meneer, what are
    all those little black things out there?"

    "They're buoys," replied the Aussie.

    "Boys?!" replied Van der Merwe. "What are they doing out there?"

    "Holding up the shark net, mate," the Aussie told him.

    "Fucking great country, this!" said Van der Merwe, deeply impressed.
    "We'd never get away with that at home!"


     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    The irony of your statement of course is that every single beach I have ever gone to in Australia that uses shark nets (and it's quite a few), the buoys are actually white with a couple of larger orange buoy's on the outer edges of the nets.

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