Why is evil usually good?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Norsefire, Jun 25, 2009.

  1. Bebelina kospla.com Valued Senior Member

    The mental construction of evil as a necessary good for the good of humanity is an excellent example of evil.
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  3. Bishadi Banned Banned

    a different approach

    perhaps that is why the so called 'serpant' shared to eve;

    Gen 3

    4And the serpent saith unto the woman, `Dying, ye do not die,

    5 for God doth know that in the day of your eating of it -- your eyes have been opened, and ye have been as God, knowing good and evil.'

    and then after eating;

    gen 3

    20And the man calleth his wife's name Eve: for she hath been mother of all living.

    21And Jehovah God doth make to the man and to his wife coats of skin, and doth clothe them.

    22And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,'

    kind of weird how the 'bad guy' of religious teachings, did not lie

    but what 'the people' are being taught by the people of religion........... is a weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee off the mark!

    i guess cuz they don't get one

    rev 22

    3and any curse there shall not be any more, and the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him,

    4and they shall see His face, and His name [is] upon their foreheads,

    i say the 'name' is knowledge (evolved from the 4 colors of mankind; the global knowledge; from that trial and error, over time; the revealing is born; (the name to know; the math defining 'how it works' (the process; the name of the boss/mother nature)

    why is evil usually good?

    well darwin was considered bad; (and never even used the word 'evolution'...in his book)

    galileo, copernicus..........(i'll stop thr as the list is hugenormous)

    seems to me, the guy born of 6/66 (perhaps even 43yrs ago today) is the good guy and the religious don't like em because them folk know they will be 'unemployed' upon the revealing of 'truth'

    ever hear the phrase:

    'and the truth will set you free'
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  5. birch Valued Senior Member

    what someone considers good or bad has little meaning in reality to again, the intent to harm consciously. often those who are proponents of 'everything is the same' are being dishonest.

    they like to illogically equate everything the same. a tornado that tears through my house is not 'evil', it had no intent and has no consciousness anymore than a flood does. the sun is not evil. if you get too close, it will burn you. at the right distance, it will warm you and is not harmful. a conscious human being who burns someone at the stake is evil and there IS a difference. it's using fire as a tool and the tool is not to be blamed or used as a distraction and ignore the one who is actually responsible. the knife i use to kill someone is not evil. it's a horrendous and nonsensical thing to find ways to alleviate those from responsibility when we have the gift of awareness and that is why we should be held accountable for such. otherwise, there is no point in having consciousness!! these dishonest and erroneous copouts are deceptive.
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  7. Bebelina kospla.com Valued Senior Member

    There's a lot to be read between the lines.

    What is commonly considered vs. personal opinion.

    I wish the truth will set him free.

    Are we that evolved?
  8. Bishadi Banned Banned

    cool post

    could it equate to; the evil is found within what we do (acts imposed to existence by a choice)

    what that means (to me) is no evil really exists without a man (conscious person; mankind) causing it. (having been caused by the choice of a person)

    eg........... nothing i know, in nature is 'evil' but mankind can do most everything nasty any religion ever wrote about (well except having a magic wand or perhaps throwing lighting bolts from Mt Olympus)

    heck look how sweet the north american continent was until the west imposed

    sure we made a profit and live upon the backs of our children but damn.... did we create some nasty crap that will be here for almost ever

    ps.... it sure wasn't an evil thing other than mankind, that created NUCLEAR WEAPONS....................
  9. Bishadi Banned Banned

    that's an understatement!
    with the internet, the knowledge from all 4 corners can be observed; the highest of evolution is to seek, without the need of a return.

    the truth exists; realizing it is your choice!
  10. Bebelina kospla.com Valued Senior Member

    The truth is within.
  11. birch Valued Senior Member

    exactly. with awareness and choice, comes responsibility. there are of course, exceptions. there are those who are truly insane but oftentimes, those who knew what they were doing are often labeled insane. it's often difficult to know what the truth is and sometimes only the individual does as we are all capable of lying and denial. there are those who also deem something as positive or negative just out of ignorance, this is still not in the same context as someone consciously and willfully intent on causing harm. One method they choose, though may not work, doesn't mean that their intent is nonexistant.
  12. Bishadi Banned Banned

    that be true but conveying it is how fibs were born

    sure we all know 'life' (we all can feel love too)

    can you define it?

    can you share the absolute in truth, that is equal to all mankind, so that experience, knowledge and reality (nature) are combined into a comprehensible frame?

    let's call it 'Understanding'..........

    'truth' can be felt equally (as promised from all religions) but has it ever been pure as written, so that all can experience what is taught?

    please, if you can expose something that is pure to learn; i am one with that.

    Suggesting the truth is within without having the foundation to support it, is moot.

    i beg to learn, please give us (we the people) life!
  13. Bishadi Banned Banned


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    there be 'gold' in dem dar words

    and like them with a cleft palet, 'we the people' by compassion can assist the few in need.

    some folks slip thru the cracks because the foundation of understanding was and is a wee bit short. Eg.... after we see one of them beating a cat in a bag, we will be able to see their upper lip; and let the cat out (address the issues)

    there's that choice thing......... (the monster is when the 'lying and denial' are allowed to continue; they become their own entity (jinn)...see religions as an example)

    almost like a kid stealing from a store; make it law that all errors of choice causing a 'loss to the common' are squared up. Just as make all material claimed as fact, stand up to face the inquiries (a scientific inquisition)

    'we the people' equally are them police to our brethren (we are all capable of experiencing truth)

    hence how this statement (below) of yours is perfected.

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    that is why 'intent' is so hugenormous......... as in every case, that intent can be identified as being born by human cause.

    anything not natural or of purpose to 'support life to continue' (good, defined) can be identified

    the idea is based on the association of mass and energy

    try this analogy for your thoughts; consider us all, a wave upon the ocean of existence, with the choice to make more waves.

    If our choice of waves does combine with other waves, then the combining energies will grow and increase their period of life ( 'support life to continue')

    the bad choices as such that the wave thinks it is alone and no action is affecting the rest. Such as the wave is trying to isolate and take from the ocean for its own purposes (kind of like the wave trying to jump out of the ocean; it can't and in that self seeking momentum ultimately may cause a 'loss to the common' by choice)
  14. Bebelina kospla.com Valued Senior Member

    Make-up is superficial.

    Why do you want something you already have?
  15. Bishadi Banned Banned

    guising truth in the 'unknown' is that very make-up to knowledge.

    meaning, i can experience but if an i cannot articulate it, then all my years of learning from trial and error cannot be conveyed to the next

    eg... you can claim to know, but if you cannot apply it, then we all just sharing fibs to that reality, rather than comprehending it.

    that is why i asked 'for life'

    either you can give purpose to life, grounded in reality, or the talk is just like most; opinions!

    point being, thanx for knowing

    yet if you cannot share the wisdom, then nothing has evolved for tomorrow to learn from where you left off

    in that; your life leaves nothing for others and without being a contributor to life; you will be extinct over time.

    so to really know 'life' then to do, for that 'life' is what is paramount to the total of existence.

    we are not here to tell people 'we know' we are here to give what we can, so the next can learn more than we ever did.

    remember; the good choices 'support life to continue' the bad are too bound to the 'self' thereby becomming a 'loss to the common'

    in a physical contraint upon existence, trial and error are where tangents can be found; the 'good knowledge' still lives (see darwin; we still talking about his gifts and to be thanked 'forever' by living within the minds of the 'evolved')

    the 'bad' material opinions are fading (even Ptolemy after 1500 yrs of being the math guy to the west, is fading)

    i ask you, do you know 'life' and/or something each of us can comprhend, or are you going to suggest you have a magic wand or something like that.

    eg............ tell us what the 'light of life' means?
  16. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

    The why is easy enough to answer. Trouble makers are often right. Despite this, at the time they're a major pain in the ass. After the fact, we can look back and say, "Yeah, that guy was right and brought about needed change."
  17. birch Valued Senior Member

    You are insinuating that troublemakers in general are right. Troublemakers bring needed change often because we can observe where they were very wrong. very few bring needed change because they were right. lol

    Those who bring most improvement to society are those who invent the practical and helpful not the ones whose main aim is just power. It depends on the nature of the troublemaking. lol
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  18. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

    I'm not saying they're always, or even usually right. Just that there is often some truth to whatever issue they are agitating for. It usually takes an asshole to bring about change. As George Bernard Shaw said:
    Reasonable men adjust themselves to their environment. Unreasonable men attempt to change their environment to suit themselves. Therefore all progress is the work of unreasonable men.”​
  19. birch Valued Senior Member

    That's very simplified. There are very reasonable people who tried to work for change or progress as well as unreasonable people who did as well. It's insinuating that only unreasonable people are responsible for progress.

    there are those who worked toward democracy whereas those who worked toward tyranny when tyranny was popular. there were those who worked toward science and rationality and those who worked toward superstition and religious hegemony.

    if unreasonable people really are responsible for progress, then the unreasonable should take most of the credit for progress today. that is not the case because most of it wasn't reasonable. lol

    everyone tries consciously or subconsciously to change the environment to suit themselves. the level of power they have in doing so is different versus adapting. and what you aren't seeing is that even the most 'unreasonable' is a product of their environment and genetics and it will dictate what they find suitable.
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  20. Bebelina kospla.com Valued Senior Member

    I might aswell go for the magic wand.

    There is no such truth as the one you want me to prove by a post.
  21. Bishadi Banned Banned

    such is the believer

    ah........... but there is and that is the 'faith' all should have maintained since the beginning; the quest of truth (understanding).

    perhaps if you observe the very pattern of evolution and then compared that to how 'knowledge' has evolved which is proven when comprehending mankind 'created' all words, then perhaps that retooling within can become your goal.

    to me, if we all knew 'the absolute truth' about life and how it works, then we all can be equal, and share, and be responsible, and know unequivocal Love, within the consciousness of mankind as a whole (as we then can look into each others eyes and trust)

    knowledge once learned cannot be stopped and taken away; they have tried that

    we in the internet age; nothing can stop the truth from evolving!

    we in 'that' time!
  22. Bebelina kospla.com Valued Senior Member

    Perhaps your goal can be to not assume.

    You are envisioning some kind of Utopia, la-la-land.

    The truth is right here and right now, not something you need to strive to create for future uses.
  23. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

    In an attempt to bring the thread back onto the tracks,

    regardless of how we each choose to 'locate' this 'truth', it seems that almost all parties believe there is a distinct relation between 'truth' and 'good' (or, whatever particular ethical principle you choose).

    My question is: to be a moral agent, must one have access to the relevant 'truth'?

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