Pj, I'm just reposting this so I don't forget to conclude on these points: OK, so Palestinians have a right to self-determination. No argument there. So...Palestinians have a right to self-determination, which much necessarily include the possibility of nationhood...but no country has a right to exist, and particularly not Israel? Is Palestine an exception? Are there other exceptions you can think of? How do you reconcile these seemingly contradictory views?