Why does the West tolerate Israeli crimes?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by RedStar, Jul 21, 2012.

  1. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Pj, I'm just reposting this so I don't forget to conclude on these points:

    OK, so Palestinians have a right to self-determination. No argument there.

    So...Palestinians have a right to self-determination, which much necessarily include the possibility of nationhood...but no country has a right to exist, and particularly not Israel? Is Palestine an exception? Are there other exceptions you can think of? How do you reconcile these seemingly contradictory views?
     
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  3. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    so in other words your letting your own ego decide who to support rather than anything resembling facts or reason congrats no matter how bad either side gets you'll still be a worse person than they are. and you may not have seen the pro Israeli people accuse someone of being muslim or arab but it happens rather frequently but barring that yes they accuse people more anyone critical of Israel is almost always painted as an anti semite. so in addition to reling on your ego you basis for doing so is also wrong.
     
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  5. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    You are right. But a nuclear Israel is no friend of communism either.
     
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  7. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    Garbage. And again, Europeans have hurt the Jewish people more than any Arab ever has, so why are Palestinians being made to pay?
    Why don't Americans give up Rhode Island?
    I mean, get real. By the way, Jews are not persecuted in the USA.
     
  8. baftan ******* Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, this thread can perfectly be changed to "Why does the West tolerate Muslim crimes" such as against women and other minorities? What makes you think that the West specifically treat Israelis differently when it comes to tolerating crimes? Do the maths: How many people suffered under Arab and/or Islamic regimes and how many people suffered because of Israel since 1948? Come on, bring the numbers and let's see what is tolerated....
     
  9. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    Then let's first examine Western crimes against humanity.
     
  10. baftan ******* Valued Senior Member

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    There is a better way to deal with this issue: Let's deal with crimes against humanity due to religious and national stupidity, alongside economic and cultural ones? What's your specific focus on what you call "Western"? Did they kidnap your dog or something?
     
  11. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    What's your focus on Arabs?
     
  12. baftan ******* Valued Senior Member

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    I explained above, it's just a personal choice, in reality there is not a great difference for me when it comes to what humans are capable of doing to each other. What I want to show in your thread in here, arguments can easily be questioned if we particularly focus on certain group of people (in your case "Israelis") or a civilization (in your case "Western"). And that's what I am doing: Leaving Westerners as common denominator, give us some numbers about how many people suffered under Israelis vs. suffered under Islamic/Arab regimes or countries since the second world war. Moreover, come up with an explanation that which civilization historically created the concepts such as human rights or crimes against humanity? Roman? Ancient Greek? Maybe Chinese, or hang on, maybe Aztecs... We all know the answer, don't we?
     
  13. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    No.
     
  14. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    You're a communist? :bugeye:

    Since when? Stop joshing already. Developing the dialectic? LOL. Was there a full moon I didn't notice? Say it ain't so Geo.
     
  15. Grumpy Curmudgeon of Lucidity Valued Senior Member

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    RedStar

    I worry a whole lot less about a nuclear Israel than about a nuclear Iran. And I would just point out that NOONE is a friend of Communism, Communism is a total failure as an ideology(despite the flaws in other ideologies), it always ends in corruption and sloth.

    Grumpy

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  16. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    I'm sorry, are communists aliens from outer space?
     
  17. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    You do. Clearly Iranians don't. The world doesn't revolve around you.
    Except all the Marxists around the world
    Proof?
    People like you need to realize that these statements are not self-evident, no matter how mindlessly widely circulated they are. You need to provide historical sources and explain or stop making stupid one-liners that you take as a given as being true.
     
  18. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Not so, I'm afraid. Cultural repression of Jews in the East has been about as severe as that in the West.

    Only within the last century. Meanwhile, Judaism has an ancestral tie to the Levant.

    Well, get real. If Jews are not persecuted in the USA, why 'give up' Rhode Island? In fact, why 'give up' anything at all? Living in mutual peace and prosperity are better. When one side considers it necessarily a 'loss', their reasoning has to be investigated.
     
  19. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    If they're named Geoff. I've been here for years and I have never known that man to be a communitst.
     
  20. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Always been so, Mrs. Lucy. Capitalism, to my mind, has been responsible for more suffering over a longer period than socialism could ever hope to aspire to. It is the greatest of all possible curses on our species; to paraphrase Orwell, it is a boot on a human face, worn by the fallacy of meritocracy.

    My wife appears to be a Republican of some kind if that makes you feel any better.

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  21. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Well I am from outer space, as if that were any of your business, madam.
     
  22. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Just for perspective, the world doesn't revolve around Iran either. A nuclear Israel is much less of a risk than a nuclear reactionary theocracy like Iran.
     
  23. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    This is so incredibly incorrect.

    Repression of the Jewish people has occurred in the West for literally millenia. All the way from the Roman-Jewish Wars, the deportation of Jews from England, Spain, the burning of Jews during the middle ages, and of course, the Holocaust. The Crusaders under orders from the Roman Catholic Church literally beheaded Jews and Muslims alike during the Crusades.

    There is nothing, nothing, that compares to all of that in the Arab world for the Mizrakhi Jews, nor has there ever been.
    Judaism does, but not all Jews do.

    Unfortunately the extreme Jewish nationalists who are currently in office in Israel routinely dehumanize Palestinians and do not want or accept peace.
    Mutually-assured-destruction.
     

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