Discussion in 'History' started by Overdose, May 5, 2004.
How is it uniformed? How can you say my OPINON is wrong? You can't disprove what didn't happen.
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It's quite simple: your opinion is uninformed because you don't know any actual history.
Your opinion is wrong because you claimed that Germany would beat England without US help (check how long England held out before the US got involved) and that Russia would be beaten. Why didn't that happen IRL?
You also gave two options:
Er, what do you think lend-lease was?
How were Germany and Japan going to invade the US? Germany couldn't even manage to get an "invasion fleet" over 20 miles of the Channel, let alone a couple of thousand miles of Atlantic ocean.
Yeah right. The "rest of the world" managed for half the war without the US.
One more time: go away and read some history.
do you think turkey was soo weak at the time i wonder did you ever read how we won all you england greece france italy russia WWI ? was we so strong that time ?
I would guess he didn't invade Turkey because there was no point to it at the time (he was busy with USSR).
How about the Pacific Front? Would the UK have been able to beat Japan while taking down Hitler?
Yes, we were in a reasonably safe spot with an ocean on both sides. It's not clear that FDR would have entered the war if it were not for Pearl Harbor. Although my guess is that he would have.
Despite a long history of animosity toward England over the Revolution, the War of 1812, Britain siding with the Confederacy during the Civil War, and a large minority of our population wanting to enter WWI on the German side, Americans reviled Hitler and felt that any enemy of his was an ally of ours. I think his over-the-top antisemitism made the people of my parents' generation feel ashamed of themselves for their own slightly less violent prejudice against Afro-Americans. Fighting him was a way of atoning. Although being ordered to toss the Nisei into relocation camps allowed them to not become too kind to racial minorities. They didn't even allow very many Jewish refugees to land here.
I've always said that the resolution of WWII must have been the inspiration for the Who's line, "Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss." We went to all that trouble to free Europe from Hitler, and they ended up with Stalin. We went to all that trouble to free Asia from Tojo, and they ended up with Mao.
Aren't we all just sweaty from the anticipation of finding out how the Arab Spring will work out?
Ultimately the effects of Hitler are still being felt. The U.S built the Industrial-Military complex to beat the Industrial-Military complex.
But Stalin took over his role. It was Eisenhower who coined the term "military-industrial complex" and warned us about it. He was talking about our massive buildup to stare down the Russians, in the mid-1950s. The "defense industry" that drove our economy was a phenomenon of the Cold War, and collapsed precisely when the Soviet Bloc collapsed. We on the West Coast, whose economy was hardest hit, referred to it ironically as "the Perestroika dividend."
Look at how desperate the government and the corporations who prop it up are today, to keep us in a state of Cold War--which has morphed into Holy War. They've been unable to goad the Chinese into taking over the mantle from the Russians, because they figured out that economic domination is easier, more effective, and a whole lot less painful than military domination. There's nobody left who's crazy enough to do it except some of the Muslim nations
Ironically it actually was the Cold War that brought down communism, without ever trading shots except for a few proxy battles on our private chessboard, the Middle East. The American military-industrial complex only took about 15% of our GDP. We could not only afford it, it was our engine of prosperity. But for the Russians to spend an equivalent amount of money and match us tank for tank, bomber for bomber and nuke for nuke, they had to siphon off more than half of their GDP and it left the country impoverished. Since a communist economy produces a negative surplus, it was just a matter of time before it imploded.
You seem to be overlooking a few other "chessboards" wherein (proxy) shots were fired during the Cold War: Latin America, Southeast Asia, eastern Europe, Africa, etc.
Question isn't what FDR wanted to do - he's well known to have been looking for something to motivate Americans to join in when Pearl Harbor struck, and even accused of cultivating exactly such an event through policies towards Japan - but whether the American public would have gone along otherwise. If it were just a matter of FDR giving the thumbs-up, we'd have entered WWII substantially before that.
the british thats why he didnt ivade. to get the truth forget alot of what the victors put in there history books and study ww2 from both sides and also timeline of events and a little reading between the lines. hitler invaded contries he didnt want to invade because the brits entered that country,they coulnt enter turkey and brainwash them against the big bad hitler because the turks hated the brits.look at the patern were the trouble making brits go hitler is forced to follow.the british did nothing but insigate and worsen the war by puting there nose were it dont belong.notice the cowards would not attack thru france till the us got there,then maggot montgomery tried to weasle his way in the spot lite and claim the credit for victory over other nations like the us's hard work and soilders ultimate sacrafice.hitler knew first hand the brits cowardness and habit of retreating cause he pushed them to the sea so many times,thats 1 reason he put the roughly easy task of conqouring england on hold he knew the real threat was russia and a invasion of england didnt fit in with his barbarossa timeline.if u call running to the underground bunker every time england was bombed holding out then u most be british,which many of you dont know is that churchhill bombed civilians in berlin first. the should of been there on the main front in the down n dirty fighting instead of sending small token armys far away were there wasnt a huge presece of germans.fact 1 fdr lied to the american people when he said japan was unprovoked and of course peal harbor was the obviose and only target in range of japan. it was knowinglly sacraficed by the politicians as an excuse to enter the war and left on low allert status before the bombing. 2nd factthe was over by the time the us entered europe it was just a matter of time before russia entered berlin and got hitler himself,the race was on to carve up germany and keep the russians from getting as little a piece as posible of europe
It all started with a staged attack on German troops by Poland. He's set this up and used it to lead the German people into fighting a war.
Look up Hitler's Secret War. It's about his plans to build planes that could cross the Atlantic without refueling. The idea was to slam these planes into building in New York. Hitler felt that American's would crumble in fear and surrender. If Hitler had had Dick Cheney's Spring 2001 Oil Map, we might have had a tougher fight.
Hitler was leading the way for Osama bin Laden? You really need to back that claim up with verifiable evidence... Conspiracy forums like Loose Change don't count.
Yes, the mighty U.S. tipped the tide against the powerful Hitler. Thats no surprise. Yes, England was holding out, they were being bombarded by the Luftwaffe. Er? Look at the map?
As you see Europe has fallen, except out on the pond. If the U.S. doesn't enter the war no bombs over Berlin in '42, war never is seen in Germany w/o USA.
Well, without the U.S aligned England holds out until Germany, and Japan put the pinch on Russia. Then England falls to the full invasion force of the 3rd reich. From there Germany mounts the invasion of the U.S. from German England, and German Russia with Japan occupying the Pacific Ocean continually. The East Coast winds up deserted, and we are able to hold up moving the capital to San Francisco and creating the Sierra Nevada-Rocky Mountain front. This is where alternate WW2 would end, Hitler still in power unable to advance.
Who is the chicken: Hitler or Turkey?
A nation economically poor and just out of the war in the Balkans rejects the absolute invasion of England, France, Italy, Greece, Australia...
An intelligent leader what would you think? Hitler was much more 'aware of many people who write on this forum. Hear the words of Winston Churchill after the defeat ...
Turkey is turkey, a different kind of bird, so the answer must be Hitler. Am I correct, did I win?
lol so true. Hitler just does't not like turkeys for lunch.
I write to anybody talking about Turkish Republic(Türkiye) as Turkey, grow up and learn! Türkiye means where Turkish people lives, there is nothing called Turkey but your English Language has this weird translation.
Ha we have similar you know this? In Turkish Language , India called Hindistan which means Turkey Country. Sorry but even 5years Turkish kid won't make joke about it..
And for the last regarding the treath, i see many good reasons you stated why Hitler didn't go for Türkiye, i don't know which was more close to reality but what i know Turkish is not the nation you just can walk and invade, read about Çanakkale wars in WW1, or how Turkish Republic have been established, if you have more time check thounds of war history of turks.
um japan did invade the us. check out the aluetians admitedly it wasn't a major one but they did invade
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