Why did Bin Laden turn to hit america

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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    According to bin Laden, he didn't:

    Additionally, according to the FBI he is not wanted for the attack on the WTC on September 11, 2001. You can check the FBI most wanted page about him.
     
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  3. Ja'far at-Tahir Grand Ayatollah of SciForums Registered Senior Member

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    I honestly can't take you seriously.
     
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  5. Ja'far at-Tahir Grand Ayatollah of SciForums Registered Senior Member

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    Very interesting indeed, jazakallah khair.
     
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  7. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    Let me just go out on a limb here and declare that bin Laden most likely had nothing at all to do with hating us for our freedoms, planes crashing, buildings exploding, FBI and CIA interfering with investigations, and the subsequent wars.

    Funny it is indeed, that while al Qaeda supposedly hates us for our freedoms, that with the erosion of the Bill of Rights ongoing, soon, al Qaeda may have very little to hate us for!

    I think bin Laden is probably dead, probably had nothing to do with 911, and al Qaeda is mostly propaganda.

    Oh! I would also like to add that it seems the only difference between an ally/freedom fighter and a dictator/terrorist is that one receives U.S. support, and the other used to receive U.S. support!

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  8. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    He he. Keen observational skills. :m:
     
  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Welcome to sciforums, matt. What a great way to start your time here. I'm sure you'll be here a long time.
     
  10. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    So you are not amused, :shrug: seems to be a common affliction among Muslims, and in my America color doesn't matter, in the America of my friends color doesn't matter, now Character, that is a entirely different matter.

    Martin Luther King;

    My four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.​


    It seems to my observation, it is the liberals who all to often judge people by the Color of their Skin, and never even look at the Content of their Character.
     
  11. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    and as most of your observations have very little to do with reality and more to do with your own ideology and wishes.
     
  12. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you.

    I have excellent eyesight.
     
  13. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    Spewing bullshit, as usual...
     
  14. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    But Osmam Bin Laden is wanted by the FBI;

    FBI Ten Most
    Wanted Fugitive


    MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH


    USAMA BIN LADEN

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    Date of Photograph Unknown ​


    Aliases: Usama Bin Muhammad Bin Ladin, Shaykh Usama Bin Ladin, the Prince, the Emir, Abu Abdallah, Mujahid Shaykh, Hajj, the Director

    DESCRIPTION


    Date of Birth: 1957 Hair: Brown
    Place of Birth: Saudi Arabia Eyes: Brown
    Height: 6' 4" to 6' 6" Complexion: Olive
    Weight: Approximately 160 pounds Sex: Male
    Build: Thin Nationality: Saudi Arabian
    Occupation: Unknown
    Remarks: Bin Laden is the leader of a terrorist organization known as Al-Qaeda, "The Base". He is left-handed and walks with a cane.
    Scars and Marks: None



    CAUTION

    USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.


    CONSIDERED ARMED AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS


    IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS PERSON, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR LOCAL FBI OFFICE OR THE NEAREST U.S. EMBASSY OR CONSULATE.


    REWARD

    The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.


    June 1999
    Poster Revised November 2001
     
  15. Ja'far at-Tahir Grand Ayatollah of SciForums Registered Senior Member

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    Slavery didn't end in the United States till near the end of the 1800s. The civil rights movement didn't happen until the 1960s. The beating of Rodney King happened in 1992. You're longest-serving Senator was a former member of the KKK, a vigilante group which also still exists in the US and has since the late 19th century. A Baptist church was bombed which killed 4 black children and injured 22 other people in 1963. A Jewish School in Los Angeles was shot up in 1999. Am I really to believe that America is a colorblind paradise?
     
  16. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    There is no such thing as a nation that has no xenophobia. America has racism, as does my country.

    In Muslim nations, prejudice is rife towards non Muslims. Even against Muslims of different sects. Sunni and Shiite kill each other in substantial numbers. This is prejudice that is every bit as bad, if not a lot worse, than racism in America, or anywhere else.
     
  17. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    Racial crime doesn't strike me as a huge problem. Not violent racial crime. Unless you call the ghettos that came from decades ago and the black on black (to use an example) crime that occurs there as ultimately white on black crime, then it really isn't a big problem.


    A Recent Racially-Motivated Crime

    Oh, those filthy white Americans, right?!? But wait, if you only read the link...

    This purports to be accurate, but I only included it just because! I make no vouching noises as to it's accuracy.

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    From an ostensibly black female conservative blog..

    For the years 1995-2002, interracial murder is as follows
    Black on White : 4,044
    White on Black : 1,676

    They link to several spreadsheets on FBI. Latest for those was 2002.
    White on black murder is about half that of black on white.

    Of course, once we weed out all the racially-based convictions, we can still blame white people for all the problems of black people, because, well, it's FUN!!!

    It's not actually easy finding some of those statistics. The DOJ and FBI sites have their various data dispersed and I found it difficult to navigate them, especially since I wasn't even fathoming getting into this subject, but felt it was required as an adequate response.
    And of course, obviously ultra-conservative/pro-white websites seem to be keen on this, so I am trying to avoid those sites.*

    One site that seemed more reasonable was:
    Interracial Crime
    Hate Crimes and Special Victims: An Un-American Story

    According to Wikipedia, white on black homicide was 7.6% of homicides committed by whites, while black on white homicide was 13.8% of homicides committed by blacks.

    Then there's this...

    He calls himself Guy White, so, uh, whatever.

    I am going to assume that probably black on white crime is reported (or minority on majority period) more often than the other way around. Still, it seems like alot of white on black crime is hyped up as racially motivated or better yet, a hate crime.

    Yeah, us filthy white people. We have so much to atone for. I feel so ashamed of my skin color.

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    *note that due to this topic involving way more sifting through of government statistics than I was prepared to engage in, and the fact that this is a controversial subject, I will not make any guarantees as to the validity of ANY of the statistics posted here
     
  18. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    And as far as colorblindness goes, stark racial differences are immediately recognized even unconsciously. I saw some studies about that one time, but I'm not going to bother looking any up right now.

    Needless to say, those who dream of a truly color-blind society are doing just that: dreaming.
     
  19. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    We fought a war that ended slavery in 1865 with the passage of the XIII Amendment.

    A Democratic Senator, and not mine.

    Slavery still is practiced across Africa by Muslims.

    And how many Black children have been enslaved and murdered by the Muslim Janjaweed in Sudan.


    By a Muslim.

    Yes, Islam is so color blind, and tolerant of conflicting religious belief, even among themselves
     
  20. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    No one is denying America, like all nations, has racial issues. But I would love for you to attempt to show me a nation that is more multiracial and more tolerant of those races than America. I think you would be pretty hard pressed to come up with one.

    Oh, and in case you have not noticed, we now have a black president. What are the odds that could happen in the democracies in Europe? Or Asia?
     
  21. superstring01 Moderator

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    You're missing a bigger point, Counte.

    Europe just got done wiping out the Jews and and starving million in gulags and "five year plans".

    South America's biggest slave nation (Brazil) didn't ban slavery until the 1880's (after the USA), only shrugged off most it's dictators a few decades ago, and have found numerous cases of slavery even to this day.

    Africa still has slaves and is actively exterminating various pesky popuations.

    Saudi Arabia finally banned slavery (but not for women, who are still property of their husbands) in the 1960's. The rest of the Islamic world still carries out such wonders as clitorectomies, stonings and witch burnings.

    And, Aisia? Well, you have the amazing people like Pol Pot killing 9 million of his own people, China's Mao driving an estimated 50 million to their graves (Cultural Revolution anybody?), North Korea's stellar human right's record and Japan being second only to Germany for wartime cruelty.

    So, when compared to our contemporaries, the USA is hardly innocent, but surely ain't even close when it comes to despicable behavior.

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  22. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    The USA still has a huge slave trade.
     
  23. superstring01 Moderator

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    How huge is "huge" Spider?

    Identifying lawlessness is one thing. Sure. I don't doubt it. But quantify it and explain how it doesn't happen in numbers greater than other nations.

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