Why are animal rights suporters so intolerant?

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  1. voyager Registered Member

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    not according to law.
     
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  3. Enmos Staff Member

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    Then law is flawed. Link please ?
     
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  5. voyager Registered Member

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    Ancient jurists declared that law had been created just for human beings. Although philosophy and science have long since recanted, the law has not."
    http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/ethics_and_the_environment/v007/7.1everett.html

    Under Austrian law, only humans are entitled to have guardians.
    http://www.livescience.com/animals/080529-chimp-human.html

    Through lawsuits and scholarship drawing on scientific developments that show animals have far higher levels of cognition than previously thought, the lawyers are trying to raze the legal wall distinguishing people from animals.
    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_20000310/ai_n10136053

    from a short search.
    the funny thing is, i can't find a legal definition of "human"
     
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  7. Enmos Staff Member

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    So where does it say humans are not animals ?
     
  8. voyager Registered Member

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    doesn't the links i provided imply the law distinguishes between the two?
     
  9. Enmos Staff Member

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    I am not denying that humans have some 'special' characteristics that sets them apart from other animals.
    You, however, said that the law says that humans are not animals. You have not yet shown that to be the case.
     
  10. voyager Registered Member

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    i said "not according to law".
    i have provided links that say exactly that.
     
  11. Enmos Staff Member

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    Please quote your articles here.
     
  12. voyager Registered Member

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    post 423
     
  13. Enmos Staff Member

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    There is nothing in post 423 that indicates that humans are not animals according to the law.
     
  14. voyager Registered Member

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    unbelievable.

    from post 423:
    . . . the lawyers are trying to raze the legal wall distinguishing people from animals.

    how many times will i have to repeat it? it's 3 times already.
     
  15. Enmos Staff Member

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    They make a distinction between humans and other animals, nowhere does it say that humans are not considered animals.
     
  16. voyager Registered Member

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    so lawyers are trying to raze the legal wall that distinguishes between people and animals for what reason?

    am i missing something here? the law distinguishes between the two. i don't know how simpler to put it. if the law considered humans as animals then there would be no reason to distinguish between the two.
     
  17. Enmos Staff Member

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    And why is that ?
     
  18. voyager Registered Member

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    i haven't a clue enmos.
    you asked for links, i gave them to you.
    the law distinguishes between the two, therefor the law does not consider them the same.

    question for you:
    would you tell your child they are nothing more than an animal?
     
  19. Enmos Staff Member

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    Voyager, don't we also distinquish between dolphins and elephants ? Both species are still animals.

    Nothing more ? You make it sound like it's a bad thing..
    Whether you like it or not, humans ARE animals.
    And yes, I would certainly teach my children that humans are animals. It's the truth.
     
  20. voyager Registered Member

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    you poor soul.
    i feel really sorry for you.
     
  21. Enmos Staff Member

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    And why is that ?
    Are you denying the fact that humans are animals ?
     
  22. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Sorry, I could have made that clearer, mostly it was a response to this post:

    Fundamentally, I don't see any difference between a person killing a cow for food, and a Cheetah killing a Gazelle for food.

    I don't think that starvation should have to come into it.

    Killing animals for food as a generalization (as opposed to killing them for sport when you have no intention of eating them) yes, I can agree with that, but eating meat shouldn't be considered as a last resort - unless you've consciously made that choice for yourself.
     
  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Trippy:

    So, you just need to take that thought to its logical conclusion.

    No human wants to suffer. No human wants to die, either (or, if you prefer, no healthy human wants to be killed and eaten).

    So, what makes a cow or a pig or a chicken any different? Surely taking such an animal's life for something that is unnecessary is immoral. Is it not?

    But it has to die. You remove any future it would have had just so you can satisfy your own pleasure (in killing and/or eating).

    Biggest difference: the cheetah must kill to live. The human doesn't have to.

    Second big difference: the cheetah does not claim to be a moral animal with a superior capacity for thought, compassion and empathy.

    You admit you do not kill the vast majority of your own meat.

    But that's not the reason you should give it up. One reason you should give up is that it is immoral to kill another for your own selfish pleasure. Another is that meat eating is bad for the environment. Another is that the meat industry involves cruelty to animals, which you've already said you do not support. Finally, each animal is an individual, like you, and it is wrong to arbitrarily treat an individual as simply a means to your own ends.
     

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