Who Here Is A Socialist?

Dude, chill out.

 

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that means we are forced to use it.

 

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You are socialist but not socially,right?

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now youre just trolling.

 

You have no idea what you are talking, no theoretical or practical.

 

:facepalm: You don't get it. If you were born in a Socialist country you would be forced to use it. The only other option is move.

 

Not necessarily true.
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=94278&highlight=Wiki

If you claim it isn't then YOU have to show how and why it isn't on any given subject, with your own sources and references.
Merely stating "It's Wiki so it's not reliable" isn't enough.
It's usually a reasonable starting point for any discussion.

 

What do capitalists say about Coal Mine owners whom also owned the land, owned the stores, and basically owned there workers because everything was company property? The fact that they also hired criminals to physically stop the creation of worker's unions? This happened in America "the birth place of capitalism."

 

Source please.

 

actually statistically speaking its equal to a decent encyclopedia better than some in fact when your talking about the rate of errors.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin-Felts_Detective_Agency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Matewan

"The most common complaint of the miners, however, concerned their pay, and the total control which the companies had over their financial well-being. Most mining towns were "company towns." The coal company owned the land. They built, rented, or sold the houses to their workers. If the miners quit work or went on strike, the company could evict them from their homes. They often forced workers to buy at "company stores," where credit might be more readily available, but prices were higher. Companies sometimes paid in "scrip," which was taken in trade only at the company store. At times, men who refused to buy from the company store were dismissed. Miners were usually paid monthly in the early days, with the company holding two weeks' back pay. Thus, miners who quit often lost two weeks' pay. Miners also had the expense of getting their tools sharpened, and they had to buy oil for their lamps which provided the only light underground."

http://www.kentlaw.edu/ilhs/earlyday.htm

Theres some.

 

Touche.

But I have to point out, that all economic/political systems can be corrupted. The examples you've shown are indeed evidence of times when Capitalism was corrupted by power-hungry men. But may I say that Socialism was also corrupted by power-hungry men in 1922. The year Stalin came to power in Russia and formed the USSR.

 

I can agree to this, even though I also don't really agree with Lenin either.

 

I think the example beat theory.(For a theorem to be invalid enough, one counterexample)
I have lived in socialism and I know.
Also great majority of socialist states dropped to socialism.
So, for problems of capitalism, socialism is not viable solution.
We remain to try to correct and not to replace capitalism with socialism.

 

Glad we understand eachother.

 

Could you clarify?

Socialists dropped to Socialism?

 

oopsss....Socialists dropped the Socialism.
Yes.

 

Regardless of position (whether your Socialist or Capitalist) this sort of argumentation is silly.

 

We all live , to a degree, under socialism rules. In America there's Social Security, Welfare, Medicade and many other governmental agencies that help the social well being of the people living within its borders as well as other areas outside her borders.

 

I do not understand what you mean.