Where's quicksand found?

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  1. I googled it but didn't get the type of answer I'm looking for which is a geographical answer.
     
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  3. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    I tried to give you a funny answer as : it doesn't exist, but it is less funny when prove to be the correct answer:

    From Wiki:

    "In fiction

    People falling into (and, unrealistically, being submerged in) quicksand or a similar substance is a trope of adventure fiction, notably movies. According to Slate magazine, this gimmick had its heyday in the 1960s, when almost three percent of all films showed someone sinking in mud, sand or clay, but it has since gradually fallen out of use. The proliferation of quicksand scenes in movies has given rise to an internet subculture and a fetish scene dedicated to the topic."

    The real, existing quicksand has always water in it...

    "Quicksand is a colloid hydrogel consisting of fine granular matter (such as sand or silt), clay, and salt water."

    So quicksand as just sand itself seen in movies (mostly in the Sahara or in the West) doesn't exist.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Anywhere artesian springs or pressurized discharges emerge under and through a sand or silt bed.

    The sand is sort of floating, or partially suspended and lubricated, by the pressure of the water coming up from below.

    Commonly, along the meanders of a sandy river flat at the base of a hill (that is feeding the spring underneath, providing a head for the water pressure).

    It can be of almost any depth. Shallow is more common.

    btw: Just checked wiki, and found out that it's salt in the stuff that causes the "grab" aspect - that causes the stuff to grip what has sunk in it, more strongly than simple mud. It does feel different - like a quick-setting cement or glue.
     
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  7. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    A case a few years ago (I'll need to research a citation on it...) was one in which a man crossing the (clay) mud flats in Southern California had gotten mired.
    The horrifying aspect is the amount of pressure can catch you off guard. He had sunken into the stuff only a few feet before his feet hit the bottom. He wasn't in danger of drowning, as his feet were now on solid ground, the problem was that no air could get in to replace the area his feet took up.

    He was absolutely stranded and teams of men couldn't pull him out. In stupidity, they hooked him up to something mechanical (The stupidity was simple desperation caused by him suffering a medical condition that was greatly exacerbated by his situation resulting in him needing immediate medical care), I heard it was a helicopter, and tried to lift him out.

    The bottom half of him stayed in the mud.
     
  8. kevinalm Registered Senior Member

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    A similar effect is liquifaction and sliding of a sandbar.

    This happened to a father and four sons walking along a river about 5 miles from my home many years ago. Their footsteps triggered a shift of the whole sandbar. They all went down and the father and the two oldest boys came back up and swam to shore. They recovered one of the bodies of the two youngest. Never did find the other, probably on the bottom trapped in sand. Very sad, every year for many years flowers were placed on the banister of a bridge near the spot. I knew the father, he was one of my old high school teachers.
     
  9. keith1 Guest

    Yes, yet they can't take away our sinking in the tar pits.

    "...A devil's stovepipe is a hole formed when a tree that has been buried by an encroaching sand dune decomposes. Under certain conditions the bark will remain intact even after the core of the tree has rotted away. This cylinder of bark keeps the surrounding sand from collapsing in and thus creates a hole, an unexpected occurrence in such an unstable medium.

    Depending on the size of the tree from which it formed and its surface visibility, a devil's stovepipe may be quite dangerous. Someone passing above a wide stovepipe may fall in. Moreover, the fall is likely to disrupt the structure of the bark which had kept the hole open, thus allowing sand to fill the hole above them. For areas with large stovepipes there is a danger of suddenly becoming buried under significant quantities of sand..."
    courtesy:wikipedia
     
  10. so his body broke in half? holy shit!!!
     
  11. Are there any other places besides So-Cal where quicksand or something like it can be found besides tar?
     
  12. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Apparently the most notorious quicksand is in England and Libya, but it occurs in too many places to list. The reason the body broke in half is that it takes more than a ton of force to remove something the size of a leg from quicksand by simply tugging on it, and that much force will pull the ligaments and tendons apart first. The way to do it is to move your body in circles and pour water down into the space that forms. I'm sure having your friends stick poles in to make deep, narrow holes and then filling them with water will accelerate the process.

    On the bright side, it's impossible to drown in quicksand if you keep your wits about you. Quicksand is much more dense than water, so you have much more buoyancy. Your body will only sink about halfway. Quicksand is often found at the seashore, so what actually happens is that the people drown when the tide comes in.

    So the key is: if you're going to fall into the quicksand, don't be alone, and make sure your friends are far enough away that they won't fall in too.

    Better yet, don't go walking in places where you don't see people already there, not drowning!
     
  13. oh ok so England huh. I'll have to head over there at check it out sometime. thanks. Hey is there a way you fight back at quicksand and like teach it a lesson sorta thing? What if you vacuumed it up?
     
  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I don't believe your story. Anything soft enough to sink into would be soft enough to flow into the space formed when they pulled him out.
     
  15. raptorttail Registered Member

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    As a geologist I can confidently say that movie-like quicksand is non-existant. The human body is not going to either sink or be pulled down by a substance that is even a little thicker than water.

    The ground can give away but this is usually from natural water sources flowing through bentonite clays, etc. Again, you would not sink. The energy of falling might dunk you under but you would pop up like a cork.
     
  16. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Try playing with clay.

    I was not talking about "quicksand" which is fluid and soft-ish...

    You never walked in really elastic mud and got your boots stuck? I have- the stuff pulled my boots off my feet (By boots, I mean as in Galoshes).
    I don't fault your skepticism as it is an incredible sounding story, but nonetheless, I'd never heard of a Devils Stovepipe either (and that sounded pretty incredible) until someone posted it above.
    Tore would be a more effective word.
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I have ventured into mud flats in the Chesapeake Bay, which has silted up in many places, as part of an environmental summer camp I attended. The mud was up to my waist. Although it did tend to suck your boots off, there is no way it would rip a man in half.
     
  18. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Ok, so if it didn't happen in a location on the other side of the Continent, it couldn't happen elsewhere where conditions are different?

    I've walked in heavy snowdrifts, therefor any claims of troubles with ice and snow from Antarctica are therefor proven wrong.
    Riiiight...
     
  19. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Technically speaking...

    ...not quicksand. It is rottening wood covered by sand.
     
  20. Spidergoat do you agree with Neverfly's logic here?
     
  21. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    What irks me isn't spidergoats skeptical questions; it's the fact that I cannot seem to google up the damn story although at the time it was such a big story.

    Damnit.
     
  22. I know what that's like.
     
  23. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    I didn't run across that one. But on my first page of Google hits I found a rather authoritative article warning me that if I got my leg stuck in quicksand, and a friend slung a winch around my torso, and then used a truck to pull me out, it would rip my leg off. Or something else, depending on where he wrapped the cable.
     
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