its dependant on which truth you are seeking.. according to who? I tend to try to break things down into four catagories, and so far everything fits into all of them to one degree or another.... Mental Emotional Physical Spiritual what we think what we know what we feel what we believe Mind Heart Body Soul the Physical side is the only one that can truly be measured.. the rest is measured by the owner... hence we each have our own truths...
NMS, Just to be clear (so as to avoid another thread derailment..) given your 4 categories here, it must be mentioned that you are specifically not seeking to discuss what's ordinarily considered to be 'truth' i.e., a logical value.
The actual truth. The indisputable truth. Otherwise it's just opinion. Well if your choice is the truth then my choice (not being yours) can't be the truth. Ah okay. So they're not truths they're opinions, beliefs, feelings, convictions. But not truths. (Except for things like "It's true I believe this/ feel this way"). PS nice save after the thread got locked. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Truth! Blimey! thats even harder than finding a meaning to the Universe! Truth is seeing is believing. If you saw something happen then its truth. If you hear about something happening its heresay. It may well be true, but you cannot prove it. If I am off on the wrong track (again) I apologise, I see what is before me and write. Truth is believing. A Christian believes in god, so its the truth, to them. To me its a fallacy. If JC came along and proved his existence, then that becomes MY truth. Until then he is heresay, the product of others minds.
lol I do believe that you can still copy/paste from a locked thread and from there start a new one...
which falls into the physical catagory,only one of the four,, personally i try to avoid fact wars.. and no i do not wish to see any 'your wrong' wars either that tends to fall into the Emotional catagory..
Alas, that cannot be; you have two problems then: First, the semantic issue: why then are there 2 different words (with differing attendant meanings..)? Second (and more significantly), that equivalence would disallow incorrect beliefs; which is obviously false...
Well, that's incorrect actually. Your 'Mental' category would be appropriate. I'm just trying to remind all here that the kind of 'Truth'(sic) you're discussing here, is not the ordinary one discussed in philosophical circles.
As I said, you can still copy/paste from a closed thread. In any case, if you want to 'pull' from a locked thread, you can always PM me...
Beg to differ. UFOs? Ghosts? ALL of our senses are subject to incorrectly passing on information. It comes down to interpretation. (We've got HUGE threads in the Pseudoscience subforum that discuss the "reliability" of eyewitnesses). Don't believe your eyes believe what you can measure, and then only if you can measure it more than once. Personal truths I can go with (presumably they'd be your mental/ emotional/ spiritual*) but they aren't THE truth. * Whatever a spiritual truth is, lost me on that.
Not going into it THAT deeply, I was thinking physical. You mention UFO - I have seen definitely ONE, back in 1969 or 1970. I was in the company, on a Mill roof, of all our workforce and the Liverpool Echo got bombarded with calls on the topic. Was it fact? Yes Do I believe what I/we saw? Yes. Definitely. But thats the subject for another thread, and may actually already have been related in here a long time past by me. as I have never actually 'seen' a ghost I cannot comment on that BUT, I have 'felt' one. I knew it was there but could hear it and feel it, but not see it.
Snap: seen a "UFO", felt a "ghost" and been "psychic". Mental glitches, misunderstood phenomena. Nothing "supernatural/ alien", just something to file away under "more data needed before making a conclusion". Life is full of stuff I don't know.
thats the one every one argues about when they call it 'THE truth' and being spiritual in nature, a person cannot communicate effectivly their spiritual truth as it is a very personal thing..which is why i have no hope of ever convincing anyone that there is a god..i can only communicate what i believe to be true..it is the other persons responsibility to decide what to do with it.. i cannont tell you what you think,feel,or believe is wrong, this would be an opinion...even if that opinion lines up with others opinions..it is still just an opinion...
Its probably more practical to look at the prerequisites of behaviour that make an assertion of truth possible. IOW "how one has to act/be in order to perceive truth" Otherwise whatever one digs up as a claim of truth can be undermined by referencing a host of misaligned examples.
