What is the worst act of the Iranian government towards another nation?

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So, killing hundreds of thousands of people - including the intentional targetting of civilian population centers with ballistic missiles - is no big deal provided "they started it?" On which playground does that make a country benign?

What's the implication supposed to be there, anyway? That Iran isn't dangerous unless provoked? That's pretty thin sauce when it comes to a polity with the geopolitical orientation that Iran has. Iran is a revisionist power, and not a status quo power, so the suggestion that there's no danger if they're left alone is facile. They are pointedly not content to be left alone, but wish to reorder the region in their favor. Hence, the conflict, the intrigues all over the place, etc. If they were content to sit inside their borders and play nicely with the regional and international orders, they could have had a deal wrapping up all the hostilities back in 1980.

Anyway, you've been told of various other offenses more times than I can recall:
1) Attempted coup de etat in Bahrain
2) Subversion of the Lebanese state via armed proxies
3) Sponsorship of global terrorism targetting a certain author and his books
4) Kidnapping and holding hostage the US embassy staff
5) Sponsorship of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, nearly to the point of outright invasion
6) Openly advocating the overthrow of the Saudi royal family
7) Sinking of Kuwaiti tankers in the Persian gulf
8) Arming, training and support of numerous regional and international terrorist organizations
10) Various campaigns of assassinations all over the world

and so on. Not a bad record for a country barely 30 years old. And of course this ignores their various crimes against the Iranian people, which easily exceed the Shah's crimes many times over. The government of Iran is cruel and evil, and would not be acceptable even if they posed no potential threat to anyone outside of their borders.

But we've been through all this before, haven't we? So why the argument from ignorance and the combative open challenges? It looks a lot like you're searching for a fight on favorable, superficial terms.

 

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So essentially none of Sam's premise regarding Afghanistan have been found to be correct.

Probably not a profitable side-argument.

 

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...there's a cabal?

 

That was a symptom of a cause unchosen. No more, no less.

And anything to the contrary is thus far unfounded and therefore inconsequential.

1980? Please expand. Perhaps if the their immediate surroundings were a picture of peace and prosperity, this notion could be a reality. However given history, and the unusual situation re the invasion and plundering of neighbors Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Yemen, with thousand of foreign occupation forces on the ground, plus sanctions and consistent "all options, including using nukes are on the table" rhetoric, why would any nation not plan contingencies, and put in place alliances and strategies?

pass - enough smoke for a fire.

pass - but less smoke, less fire

fail - spiritual fatwa issued by a cleric is not against a nation

pass - caveat - foreign policy - cause and effect is the culprit

pass - US & Iran shared a common enemy for a while

huh?

fail - direct consequence of the Iraq invasion

fail - cite source/evidence

fail - cite evidence

No full scale invasions?

 

Could you name these Indian media sources which you have read through?

I recommend The Hindu, The Indian Express, Outlook and Tehelka. I will simply point to how Indian media responded to 26/11 and point out how India was able to reach a successful conclusion on that case [as it has in many other cases of terrorism] and compare that with western media and its responses to terrorism as an example of the differences in media integrity in the two countries.

Thanks for the link to the story though, it is gratifying to know that although they named them as insurgents the soldiers did put a couple hundred dollars in the hands of the people there for medical aid.

Very sad. And this is the ROE of the Australian peacekeeping forces in Afghanistan? This is how they treat the Afghan people?

Ah okay, yes that would be number 2 in the worst act of Iran against a foreign government. The student revolution in Iran, when the students took over the US embassy. Technically, not an act of the government, since the students were not and did not form the government but we'll take it as one, since we are pressed for a second instance after the Iran-Iraq war.

 

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"The United States, as a signatory to various international treaties banning the testing, manufacture and development of chemical and biological weapons, is required by law to open its weapons facilities to UN inspectors to verify treaty compliance. In defiance of the treaties' provisions, the United States Senate passed a bill in 1997 allowing the president to deny international inspections of U.S. weapons facilities "on the grounds of national security."" (Emphasis is original) -- Associated Press, February 27, 1998, quoted from Derailing Democracy, by David McGowan, (Common Courage Press, 2000), p.182​

 

Who will bell the cat?

Sometimes, I think karma is overdue in the US.

 

If the soldiers had intended to pay the family, there was nothing to stop them giving it directly to the family, after all they had already demonstrated their ability to enter the house at any time day and night. More likely, it was hush money paid to one of the warlords as an incentive to make no waves.

It is still the ROE of Australian soldiers to break down doors and enter Afghan homes is it not? Perhaps all these bleeding heart soldiers would like to ponder how they would react to an armed man breaking down their doors at dawn and shooting liberally into their children.

 

No I am not ignoring their story. I am considering the fact that if an armed Afghan broke into the same soldiers home at 2 am with a machine gun, what that soldier was likely to do. I think that Afghan farmer and his children never stood a chance anyway. The fact that these foreign troops break into family homes with guns and shoot at civilians makes that very clear

 

Would that argument persuade you if cops had broken in and shot an Australian family in the exact same manner?

The general disregard for human life by troops in Afghanistan is hardly an isolated incident. Considering that most Afghans possess firearms, are under military occupation and fear both their own warlord militias plus the foreign troops, what is the likelihood that any intruder who breaks into a home at dawn will not be fired at? Rather than being an isolated incident, this is probably what usually happens. Only not everyone is lucky enough to catch the eye of some Afghan immigrant in Australia

 

Ah well then we can have no agreement on this issue.

 

No lets continue the OP topic. We've found two worst acts so far. We should see if there are any more. Considering how the international community is wary of Iran, it interesting to look behind the attitude to its basis.