What is the Origin of the Seven-Day Week?

Discussion in 'History' started by Walter L. Wagner, Jan 14, 2007.

  1. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    It is a tradition which came along with Noah and the seven others who survived the Deluge.
     
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    Good grief. Wont that make 8?
     
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  5. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    Greek:
    (Sunday) Kyriaki (Lord's day),
    (Monday) Deftera (Second ),
    (Tuesday) Triti (Third),
    (Wednesday) Tetarti (Fourth),
    (Thursday) Pempti (Fifth),
    (Friday) Paraskevi (Creation), Probably refering to creation of Adam
    (Saturday) Savato (Sabbath), Probably a transliteration of the Hebrew name
     
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    A logical reason for the 7 day week could be that the ancients simply divided the lunar month into quarters (for whatever reason) and came up with an average of 7 days. Then again, it could be that 7 is supposed to be a lucky or holy number.
     
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    Nick, it was a tradition from the pre-Deluge world, you know, the six days of creation, and God rested on the seventh.
     
  9. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Mathman:

    Yes, but in the Indo-European pantheon, Odin and Jupiter are not one in the same. Jupiter is a form of Dyeus, like Tyr. Odin is not, but took Tyr's place of prominence.

    Walter L. Wagner:

    Tyr is God of justice, courage, and warfare.

    Friday is Freyja, the Goddess of beauty.

    The reason why English has it relates to the fact that the Anglo-Saxons were Germanic heathens.
     
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  10. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    The Germanic days of the week:

    Sunday - Sonne's Day
    Monday - Mona's Day (the moon Goddess)
    Tuesday - Tyr's Day
    Wednesday - Odin's day
    Thursday - Thor's Day
    Friday - Freyja's Day
    Saturday - Saturn's day, although the original was associated with a Germanic syncretic deity relating back to Saturn, as opposed to our obvious reference to the Roman Saturn.
     
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    Jupiter is Iapeter, Iafeth, Japheth, and Tyr could be Tiras, a son of Japheth. Tyras is a town at the mouth of the Dniester River.
     
  12. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    No he isn't.

    Jupiter is Dyeus, Father Sky.

    Tyr is Dyeus, Father Sky.

    Do not betray my primordial ancestors' religion, Caananite thief.
     
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    Jupiter could be Janus, Dyeus, a guy who looked back from the Deluge, and looked forward after it.

    I'm of mostly Dutch-Scottish ancestry, so I'm down with northern Euro ancient history.
     
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    Dyeus and Janus, as far as I am aware, are not cognates.

    Janus derives from "ianus" doorway and relates back to ei in INdo-European roots. Dyeus doesn't. It relates back to "Sky Father".
     
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    "Doorway Noah."
     
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    Noah does not mean doorway. It means "rest".
     
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    Nus, Nu, Mannus, all names for Noah, so doorway (ia) - Noah (nus), Ianus, Janus, doorway of Noah.
     
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    Manu means "man". Moreover, "nus"/nu" does not have anything to do with Noah, it has to do with "fish", and that is only in Phonecian, not in Latin and Greek, although Greek uses nu for the 13th letter (as the Greek alphabet has connections with the Phonecian script).

    Ie/ianus does not mean "Doorway fish". -Nus is the masc. acc. pl. 4 ending. http://www.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/lookit.pl?latin=Janus
     
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    I was always taught that it was due to the lunar cycle. The average lunar month is 29.53 days, divided by four. This makes a lot a sense because the average person can only memorize between 5 to 9 digits, average 7. It would be very difficult for any human culture to base their communal activities strictly on a 29.5 day cycle. Not only would it be harder to recall what to do when and where on what day, but then you'd have to throw in a leap day every other month. I'm sure it predates semitic culture and has much more to do with the origins of agricultural communal life in general and planning daily/weekly activities. Can you imagine a father telling his son that he needs to start picking the grapes 25 days from now, rather than saying "the day after tomorrow" or 4 days from now.
     
  20. zenbabelfish autonomous hyperreal sophist Registered Senior Member

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    Just a guess:
    Hunter-gatherers may have divided the lunar cycle into four stages: 1st: moonlit hunting, 2nd: return to home camp, 3rd: moonless resting, 4th: return to hunting grounds. A days rest and preparation prior to each stage accounting for weekends.
     
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    That's an excellent observation leading to a conclusion that it probably pre-dates agricultural societies. Most carnivores are nocturnal and I can clearly imagine the group discussing preparations for the upcoming full-moon hunting week.
     
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    These are just the different forms of the names as passed down into the various Germanic languages. The Germanic branch of the Indo-European family has some amazing paradigms of consonant shifts. Read up on Grimm's Law and Verner's Law. That's why Latin dent- is "tooth" in English and Zahn in German. "Woden" would be English, Wotan (with W pronounced as V of course) is German, and Odin is Old Norse.
    The typical ancient pantheon had a couple of dozen gods. Jung found a common archetype in all of them of 23 distinct spirits, which also echo in the characters of Shakespeare's plays and other cultural artifacts throughout history. The Myers-Briggs profile of a four-dimensional human spirit is a bastardization of the far richer one Jung found throughout human history. In other words there are more gods than days of the week.

    We retained the name of the Moon for Moon Day, just as the Romans did for what is now lunedi in Italian. We stuck with the Sun for Sun Day, even though the Romans renamed it after Dominum, the Lord. Just to be different we kept their name Saturn for the day they renamed "Sabbath," and which the Germans presciently named Samstag after the god Sam who eventually founded Wal-Mart.
    Good question. Anybody?
    The Romance languages all use the same Latin names, with the predictable phonetic shifts. French mercredi = Spanish miercoles. The exception is Portuguese, which somehow stumbled onto a dry, logical, numerical system for all the days except Saturday and Sunday: segunda-feira, terça-feira, quarta-feira, etc.

    I believe the Germanic languages all use the same names based on the Teutonic panthoen, with a few odd exceptions. The Germans call Wednesday Mittwoch, "mid-week," instead of something like Wotanstag.

    The Slavs use a more prosaic, although a bit haphazard, system. Monday = pondeli, "the day after Sunday." Wednesday = sreda, "the middle." Friday = piatek, "the fifth."

    Can anyone tell us how they're named in the Celtic languages?
     
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    In Indian (Hindu),

    Sun = Ravi= Sunday =Ravivar
    Moon = Som = Monday = Somvar
    Mars = Mangal = Tuesday = Mangalvar
    Mercury = Budh = Wednesday = Budhvar
    Jupiter = Guru/Brihaspati = Thursday = Guruvar/Brihaspativar
    Venus = Shukr = Friday = Shukravar
    Saturn = Shani = Saturday = Shanivar

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