What is the goal of integrating mentally retarded people in normal schools?

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  1. lucifers angel same shit, differant day!! Registered Senior Member

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    tourettes is not a behavoural condition!!
     
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  3. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    I agree with mainstreaming them unless they are actually disrupting the rest or cannot cope.
     
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  5. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    I am so sorry. We should have realised earlier, from the tenor of your posts, the tendency to jump to a concussion, the smug self righteousness, and the like, that you are quite clearly retarded. Do you think it would be better if you were placed in a forum for people who are similarily disadvantaged? After all you are upsetting the normal people here at sciforums.

    Once in a while Asguard makes sense. This is such an occasion. His observations on value judgements are spot on.

    Emmz, I don't know if you were being passive aggressive, or just polite, but my advice to you is to go for the jugular in situations like these.

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  7. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    I agree with LA's position, the last thing someone with a disorder needs is to be around a bunch of other people with that disorder, where he will adapt to them.
     
  8. Cowboy My Aim Is True Valued Senior Member

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    This.

    Children who are "freaked out" by the appearance of disabled people (and, to be fair, I've actually seen some weird looking disabilities) simply need to get over it. We probably can't hide the existence of disabled people from our children and it isn't a good idea even if we could.

    If the child is behaving in a disruptive manner or is so disabled that trying to teach him or her shortchanges the education of other students, then a more suitable classroom setting needs to be found. Aside from that, though, people just need to man up and deal with the fact that not everyone in their class will look just like them.
     
  9. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I recall having a girl in class that was an Epileptic and she had seizures right there in the classroom! Since I've never seen that type of thing before and wasn't told about her having that condition it took me for

    quite a shock and scare when she went into convulsions. I really do not think that people with that severe of medical conditions should be allowed to be in a public school for , as students, we do not know how

    to help them or what to do in case of an emergency. What if she were walking down the stairs when she went into her seizure? She could have fallen and killed herself! Who then is responsible for that happening

    if you let those with major medical problems be allowed into a public school where no one can help them if they need it?
     
  10. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Well duh you ask these people and learn about what to do in case of a seizure.
     
  11. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    what if she was in the supermarket and had a sizure? what an apsolutly stupid comment, epilepsy is easy. If you cant handle that how would you deal with a car crash or an ashma atack or anaphalaxis?

    ALL teachers are required to do senior first aid (in australia at least). For reference the way to treat epilepsy is to do nothing, you clear the space around them of anything which could injure them and DO NOTHING. Dont stick things in there mouth, dont try to pin there tongue to anything DO NOTHING. If the sizure lasts MORE than 5 min, if you cant control the area or if its not something they have had before call an ambulance but if its a diognosed case of epilepsy then there is no reason to even bother. Just let them come out of it themselves and then when they do put them in the recovery position and cover them with a sheet and let them sleep it off. REALLY simple.

    Now anaphalxis is scary, if you dont get the treatment for that one right they will die
     
  12. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    There is no goal, it's pointless. And I don't want to seem like an insensitive twat....I truly do pity the severely disabled and I do feel sorry for them and I hope they can be as happy as possible.

    However within society there is still the division between the "able" and disabled. Now this is no problem for minor disabilities, most disabled people can live normal lives. But the severely disabled do not belong in normal society. As much as I pity them, if we want society to be as "perfect" as possible then we need the people to be healthy and fit.

    This brings up a question: is it ethical to euthanize the disabled? As monstrous as that may sound, is it not the more logical and the more, in fact, sensitive option?
     
  13. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Have you entirely lost your mind this time Norsefire? I feel sorry for what's about to happen to you... :bugeye:

    For the record, the answer to your question is: No.
     
  14. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Huh?
     
  15. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    It is not pointless, at least not always. Many disabled people can function at a very high level. I had a patient with severe loss of vision since birth. Yet, with the aid of strong magnifiers in her glasses, was able to function almost completely normally. She held a job, worked on a computer all day, rode the bus. Should she have been locked away in some ghetto for the disabled or euthanized?
     
  16. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    No I'm talking about the severe ones
     
  17. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    Even so, such people are still loved by their families and said families find great value in their existence.
     
  18. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    I went to elementary school with a girl who was severely disabled, well maybe not, but it seemed that way. She could not walk or talk and she did not look like all of the other kids since her tongue was too big for her mouth. She sometimes had random outbursts and she was frightened easily by loud noises, but she could read and write and spent the afternoon in speech therapy. My classmates and I just got used to her, we learned not to be too loud or make any sudden movements near her and life went on as usual I haven't seen her since we graduated from elementary school, but she even has a facebook page and is currently working as a secretary. I think integration can do a world of good for many mentally and physically disabled students. I think it makes them more independent and possibly more confident. And I can't say I was negatively scarred for life by being in a classroom with her for a year. If the kids are scared because how someone looks that is their problem not the deformed students'.
     
  19. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    That's because they already exist. The goal of medicine ultimately ought to be the perfection of Humanity and human society (and even transcendence). The point is, although I genuinly do feel sorry for them, honestly I do so don't think I'm some monster, it is precisely because of this that I do not want to see it in society.
     
  20. Enmos Staff Member

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    You mean you don't want to feel sorry..
     
  21. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Who ever wants to feel sorry? I do not want people to suffer. What good comes out of the disabled suffering? Is it not best to relieve their pain?
     
  22. shichimenshyo Caught in the machine Registered Senior Member

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    How do you know that these persons are in pain? Just because they dont function on a normal human level does not mean they are in pain, nor does it mean they waive the right to have a life.
     
  23. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    We were in the 5th grade when this happened, are you expecting 5th grade pupils to be that emergency ready to help others?
     

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