What is the difference between Allopathy, Homeopathy and Ayurvedic medicens?

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  1. Dr. Nancy Malik Medical Doctor Registered Senior Member

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    Let me tell you the medicine becomes stronger not just because it has been diluted more but because i has now ben successed more. It is the succession that adds power to the medicine.

    Homeopathy provides treatment for diabeties as well as abdominal pain
     
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  3. Dr. Nancy Malik Medical Doctor Registered Senior Member

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    Homeopathy provides solutons to all of the above cases.

    You must underdtand that homeopathy is symptom based. Each patient has a different set of symptoms. So two patients suffering from the dsame disease may have a different homeopathic medicine for them.

    It is not allopathy where you have the same medicine for everyone.

    Homoeopathy does not believe in giving different medicines for different afflicted parts of body (head, nose, ears, throat, etc) but rather give one single constitutional remedy, which will cover the disturbance (different complaints) of the whole (same) person.
     
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  5. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    i find your name offensive, What are your qualifications to claim to be a doctor?
    where was your BM&BS granted or what is your PHD in?
     
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  7. Dr. Nancy Malik Medical Doctor Registered Senior Member

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    Medical Training for a minimum period of 5 1/2 years (BHMS) is absolutely necessary for becoming qualified to practice this system in India as it gives a complete understanding not only about the structure and functioning of the human body but also a thorough understanding of the homeopathic philosophy and its practical utilization while treating diseased persons. And to do M.D. further, you have to spend three more years after BHMS

    I have a license to practice homeopathy given by Government of India.
     
  8. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    so your NOT a doctor and there for shouldnt have "Dr." in your name
     
  9. Dr. Nancy Malik Medical Doctor Registered Senior Member

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    read carefully

    Don't be in so hurry. Read again what i have wrote. I am a medical qualified doctor.


    What are your credentials to talk about homeopathy? Have you done a 5.5 years medical degree course in homeopathy?
     
  10. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Yes that how the "blind" has been able to understand the world and usually predict it with great accuracy. Look around at the world, most technology exist and relies on science's ability to predict physical phenomena and to manipulate that phenomena in a predictable nature. We would not have been able to build computers or modern engines or send space probes to the planets if science did not accurately understand the nature of semiconductor, thermodynamics or heliocentric models of the solar system, likewise we would never have killed off small pox, protect child against polio, prevent bacteria infections, reduce the death rate from cancer, increase the average human life space without theories on immunology, germs and physiology not being accurate. If Homeopathy was so great why can't it cure these diseases? Here a test: infect your self with rabies and cure it with homeopathy!
     
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  11. EntropyAlwaysWins TANSTAAFL. Registered Senior Member

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    Probably is, by most honest/accurate definitions.

    You would be surprised at what else should probably be classified as a religion but I would likely be accused of Trolling for naming/accusing them.
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Homeopathy reversed my anemia, from 9.5 to 14 [Hb count] when allopathic measures failed (short of inferon injections). Either its a persistent placebo effect (going on for 15 years now) or there is some other explanation.
     
  13. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    or you just had some form of temporary anemia, if you could pull up a study where say 500 people with anemia were tread with homeopathy and another were treated with a placebo and the providers and patients were blind to who got what, and the results showed that homeopathy cure anemia above placebo and beyond the standard error (+/-7% for 500 people) then I would believe you.

    I feel I can cure my colds by ingesting a bottle of atomic pepper sauce (seriously!) but I won't believe it medically true and not just a figment of my imagination until when it is tested in a double blind statistically relevant study.

    My anemia by the way can never go away but as a child it was significantly detectable as low iron levels, as an adult my iron levels are detected as normal but by hemoglobin is still deformed just the same.
     
  14. kmguru Staff Member

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    You must be joking. Diarhea is not the opposite of constipation. Diarrhea is most commonly caused by viral infections, parasites or bacterial toxins. The absence of these toxins pr viruses is not constipation.

    And you are qualified to be a medical doctor? Wow!
     
  15. kmguru Staff Member

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    So, you are saying the symptoms of ED or any of the virus or bacterial infections are different for different people and therefore you have 5000+ homeopathy medicines for those cases?

    Which then by definition can not be tested in a double blind test? Just take it on faith?
     
  16. Dr. Nancy Malik Medical Doctor Registered Senior Member

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    I always find it interesting that people supporting allopathy scream for the effect of homeopathy, but when someone presents they ignore them or say it is anecdotal evidence, so they won't listen to the patient.
     
  17. Dr. Nancy Malik Medical Doctor Registered Senior Member

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    Next time (God forbids) you have diarhea or constipitation, check it ut, you will surely get a relief. And this has not come out of homeopathy book but by naturopathy/ayurveda which consideres food as medicine.
     
  18. Dr. Nancy Malik Medical Doctor Registered Senior Member

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    Homoeopathy can never be tested through double blind randomised trials because each prescription is individualised as every person is unique. Therefore 10 people with the same dieseae may all need a different homoeopathic medicine.

    Supporters of allopathy insist on double blind trials because they knew that homeopathy would fail on that account.
     
  19. kmguru Staff Member

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    Well, then there is another way to test it. Collect 1000 AIDS patients in India (They have plenty) - verify that they all have AIDS and then start the treatment program. Either they work or do not. If they work, then Bill Gates will be happy to cover millions in Africa rather sending the expensive medicine. If Bill Gates starts distributing Homeopathy...then that is the proof, it works. Since the government of India, South Africa shun Homeopathy - that means it is all hot air.....
     
  20. kmguru Staff Member

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    I eat Bananas one or two a day. Have not had Constipation or Diarhea in the last five years. If I eat four or one, no problem (I take Probiotics in the form of Yogurt). Never tried 12 bananas...if you eat excess of anything, you will get sick....that is common sense.
     
  21. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    OK, but I don't understand "succession" - Please explain.

    I want to know how succession differs from dilution, so here is a specific example to be clear (I am only guessing that "succession" has to do with the number of dilutions, not the amount of the dilution, and testing that idea with my two cases.)

    Both case A & B start with 1gm of the agent. Then in:

    Case A: 99gm of pure water is added to make a 1% concentration of the active agent.

    but in Case B: 9gm of pure water is first added to make a 10% concentration of the active agent.

    Then 1gm of this 10% concentration is added to 9gm of pure water to make a 1% concentration of the active agent.

    Is the "succession" of the twice diluted case B greater? (Even though conventional chemistry can not tell any difference between these two 1% concentration of the active agent.) Is it twice stronger Homeopathic medicine?

    If this is not the case, please give me an example similar to the one above so I can understand what you are talking about. Thank you.

    PS: Note that the case B second step still has 9gm of the 10% concentration. So I could repeat the second step 9 times more to end up with 10 of the 10gm 1% concentration. Then divide each 10 times to have 100 separate 1gm units more powerful than the original 1 gm of agent. This could be repeated making each of these 100 into another 100 for 10,000 total etc. etc. If there is a limit on how much succession can be produced from the original 1gm of agent, can you explain how it arises?
     
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  22. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry but anecdotal evidence is not provable: I could sell anything be it tap water or a pill of sugar, and if people feel it works then so be it, that does not mean it actually works though, to see if it actually works required a statically valid experiment, preferably blind to any bias.

    In short if we are testing to see if a drug works you need to get hundreds of patients, then we will listen, with just one patient all we have to go on either experimental results from previous studies or a educated guess or we could be like you and just give them a completely unproven therapy and hope for the best, my bets are that sugar pill would be equally effective.
     
  23. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    of course we wont lission to the pt, what is it house always says.....

    "people lie" (no offence there sam)

    double blind randomised controled trials DONT lie

    And there are alot more, see for yourself
    http://www.mrw.interscience.wiley.c...bstract,keywords)&submit_go.x=8&submit_go.y=7
     

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