What is 'Heat'?

Discussion in 'Chemistry' started by Bishadi, Sep 25, 2008.

  1. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    wiki says

    but like gravity, what is it?

    Who can share what is released when a chemical reaction occurs?
     
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  3. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    more definitions to work off a

    SO what is, that stuff?
     
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  5. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Heat is nothing more than one form of energy. It "expresses" itself in the vibration of atoms and molecules.
     
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  7. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    and what causes resonance upon mass?
     
  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    What's resonance upon mass?
     
  9. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    electromagnetic


    kind of new line of thinking for the scientific community but there is a whole bunch in the works right now all over the globe

    perhaps take a read and use the tools provided to offer you a scope

    http://lanl.arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0406/0406472v1.pdf

    or notice how the wave equations are shared, then perhaps a few lights will open up

    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/HFrame.html

    point to be observed; energy is electromagnetic and energy upon mass resonates
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    If you're talking about photoionization, just say so in future. It makes things easier.

    Can't see what it has to do with heat, though.
     
  11. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    I thought question was 'what is resonance?'

    perhaps the idea that em upon a structure is resonance and trying to build up to the reality that resonance, momentum, strong force, weak force and gravity are all just properties of em is too much just yet?

    Why do you think the thread was asking folk to simply share what 'heat' is?

    (taking baby steps)

    But like always a few will find a word, make a comment and have no intent of seeking comprehension. (usually comes from the old school)

    most youngsters know how to look items up before making stupid comments

    you asked what's resonance upon mass. I shared em upon mass is what creates a resonance. This fact is true not sometimes but everytime....

    sorry if it was a little beyond you to actually look up something and read a bit before making a stupid comment....

    Wonder what would happen if i redefined the double slit experiment so monkeys will quit teaching that a per se photon is a particle and a wave....
    (ie... you would think the photoelectric effect would have fixed that error a long time ago)
     
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I'm sorry if my question upset you, Bishadi. Never mind. I'll leave you to it.
     
  13. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    it makes thing easier when people read.... even if you cannot do the math

    you would have seen something in that pub

    the energy upon the mass is what much of the chemistry folk do not comprehend....

    ionized mass is but a portion of the total energy state..... perhaps you would have comprehended that if you read
     
  14. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    james if you be an admin kind of guy, perhaps use your talents to 'support' learning and the progression of knowledge (as it evolves)

    ask good questions that assist even the little people to reach the next plateau but be fair to each and yourself and simply recognize the current paradigm must have flaws as the next generation can be assisted in going beyond the previous generations complacency.

    this is their period in time; if you do not wish to actually hash through the issues, then use your skills to assist the next generation (do you remember being a youngster ready to take on the world? well don't step on their mojo, support their learning; give the new a chance, it is their world now)
     
  15. Spud Emperor solanaceous common tater Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah heat, you know the hot shit.
    fark James, sometimes frank and succinct actually cuts through the hyperbole but you'll drop this post like the last one..like a hot potato!
    Too stitched up..seriously!
     
  16. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    might as well let them tell you
    this is sharing the ‘state’ is not so much a particle or physical construct but a qubit (state) as the et al’s share the variant methods of describing this state

    point being the ‘state’ of the energy upon mass is the observable function (one qubit at a time)

    ie… ‘heat’ is simply a ‘state’ of energy for each per se photon (line item of heat itself)

    Each et.al is sharing a measured property of the same thing……….. light (upon mass)


    http://research.physics.uiuc.edu/QI/photonics/papers/2PhotonTomo.pdf

    all the material is for is to allow a comprehension as to all the stuff that makes up heat…..

    (light) ……….. electromagnetism …………..

    think in the lines of heat is usually mentioned in volume but a per unit line by line mass to energy relation is where to start all over from….

    That is what this thread is for; to allow the new thinkers to begin making a difference. i.e….. to observe em as the energy upon mass, then see how chemistry needs a little help. Such that an environment at a specific ‘temperature’ is simply the resonance upon the surrounding mass. So when molecules combine the catalyst (new energy) may combine with the environment (resonance) to reach a threshold for the next progression (reaction).

    The key is energy is always of ‘intent’ to continue (progress) where as in current paradigm the 2LoT suggests the opposite, to equilibrate. Define the system as open until you get the hang of identifying the energy itself as the specimen.
     
  17. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/thermal/1-what-is-heat.html


    and if you have done the homework above in the other posts, then read the current ideas

    what wrong with the current model?

    think of potential exchanges and look into van der waals, as well look at

    em exchanging with matter and how ionization is created

    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mod3.html#c1

    what do you see?
     
  18. Harro Registered Senior Member

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    I thought heat was the transfer of energy via vibrating of mass or particle collison.

    Metaphoricaly speeking heat, is like pool/billiad balls. The white ball could be thought of the energy source (Motion), then the white ball hits all the coloured balls they bounce around and crash into each other (Heat)

    Friction is a good way to understand heat.. you turn motion energy into heat energy from rubbing/colliding atoms together.

    correct me if im wrong
     
  19. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    Hello Harro, In a sense you are on the ball.

    So the white ball is basically the initial spark to get the other balls in motion.

    makes sense.....

    And now you into the fun part; as in some cases it could be said the rubbing is taking electrons from each other and creating a potential of static energy.

    The reason i shared this is in each case the energy whether the white ball or the exchange in rubbing the energy is electromagnetic of origin.

    ie..... we have four recognized forces shared in physics.. strong, weak, electromagnetic and gravity.... there isn't one called heat or temperature

    such that heat is not a property but like a river of energy

    your idea of logic is good to go...

    the purpose of the thread is to share that when observing any chemical reaction, temperature or heat, in each and every case is simply a form of energy that must be drilled down to the basic forces shared in physics. (white ball and mass) / Atoms and energy (em)


    I like to see 'heat' as either electromagnetic resonance in which the atoms are vibrating (just like you said) based on the frequency and wavelength of the em upon that structure or once a threshold is reached that mass may increase its momentum; such as the flame below a cooking surface, the mass is hitting the bottom of the pan releasing its energy to the metal which resonates increasing the 'temperature'....

    again in all cases the energy is em when drilled down to the mechanics of atoms and energy

    this is what chemisty fails to address in its 'reactions' where as in quantum representations such as bohrs atom, http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/light/bohr.html or the wave form of schroadinger (bottom of linked page) http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html

    sharing that in all cases the energy change or state is and exchange of em

    Which will share in the overall, that energy itself is simply em (light) upon mass and the electron usage is simply em isolating the structure called electron from the mass of its origin.

    please ask the questions you feel you need to know and allow me to point you in the right direction

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  20. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    It's free-flowing kinetic energy.
     
  21. D H Some other guy Valued Senior Member

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    Heat flow mechanisms includes radiation, conduction, and convection. The billiard ball analogy does not describe heat flow due to radiation. A better way to look at heat is as energy transfer other than work, i.e., energy transfer that changes temperature. The first law of thermodynamics in its simplest form says exactly that:

    \(\Delta U = Q - W\)

    What that means is that \(\Delta U\), the change in internal energy in some system, is equal to the difference between the \(Q\), the heat flow into the system and \(W\), the work done by the system.

    Another way to think of it: W is useful energy while Q is useless energy. The second law of thermodynamics tells how futile the search for useful energy will be.
     
  22. Harro Registered Senior Member

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    oh.. so particles are like a heat sink, absorb heat...its actually the radiation that is heat?
     
  23. Harro Registered Senior Member

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    oh..but if a particles stored too much heat it transfers some of that energy back out as heat radiation?
    sorry for double post
     

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