What is gay marriage about?

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by francois, Jul 9, 2010.

  1. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

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    I understand why people don't want gay people to marry, but I don't understand why gay people want to marry. What's the point?
     
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  3. superstring01 Moderator

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    Um. It's about gay people getting married.

    What is any marriage about? Expression of love. Commitment. Legal rights.

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  5. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, but why go through all the trouble? Isn't a civil union pretty much the same thing in terms of legal rights?

    I think non-gay people get married because it's what they're supposed to do.
     
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  7. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    No it isn't. There are thousands of references to the legal state of marriage embodied in our laws. Civil union does not give the same benefits.
     
  8. superstring01 Moderator

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    Well, why does it matter? And, civil unions aren't even available everywhere.

    I think you're making unsupported statements based on poor assumptions.

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  9. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

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    Oh, okay then. I wasn't sure.
     
  10. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

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    I just don't see what loving someone has to do with being married.
     
  11. PieAreSquared Woo is resistant to reason Registered Senior Member

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    it's about medical insurance
     
  12. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    it's about equal recognition in society, and about equal rights afforded to married couples.
     
  13. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    It's about getting the same recognition of their relationship as straight people get for theirs.

    I don't know why either gay or straight people do it, myself.

    You either end up swallowing a whole shitload of hurt and struggling to the make the relationship work, or you get a divorce and then the other person gets to screw you for an arm and a leg.

    Yeah, really good idea. I want to do that too, when I'm older.

    Maybe I'm just a cynical little fuck...*sigh*...
     
  14. superstring01 Moderator

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    Um. It doesn't Francois. Just like straight people don't need to get married, neither do gay people. It's not about "having to" or "needing". It's about "wanting" and "deserving" the same rights other people have.

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  15. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    String,

    If civil unions did give all of the same legal rights as marriages (regarding property laws, taxes, et cetera), would you still want to push for full-fledged marriage? Assuming they are available everywhere, of course.

    Also, do you think the government should even have a say in who may or may not be married? It could be said that the government should only recognize marriages, instead of administer them; the latter is a private matter, typically where a church is involved thought there are also the Vegas weddings.
     
  16. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

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    That's really what I was trying to get at. If the rights and benefits were the same, why would anyone care? It's just a word. Married. Why all the fuss?

    Of course, I do understand the fuss, since the benefits aren't the same.
     
  17. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    The word has certain social implications. Homosexuals should be equal under the law, and so a separate word is like the "separate but equal" philosophy of the segregationists. Separate is inherently unequal.
     
  18. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Nobody said separate; just different.

    It's like with men and women; we're different but equal.
     
  19. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    They aren't different.
     
  20. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Men and women? Yes they are.
     
  21. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    But they have the same rights under the law. Which is what gay people are after, and should get.
     
  22. superstring01 Moderator

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    Legally speaking, no they aren't (except on battle fields and in submarines, and those are rare, extreme and specific circumstances).

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  23. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Submarines, why?
     

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