On jugment day... i highly suspect that Jesus will pull the handle when those wit-out temperance step on the trap door to hell Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I thought I'd made it clear that, being atheist, I considered Jesus to be distinct from God - for starters, one's real, one's not. (It also means Heaven and Hell have no truck with me. And souls, while we're at it.) It should go without saying but Jesus existed long before Christianity came along. They are two completely separate events. Perhaps take a page from the Jews. Jesus was a great philospher and a good man - he just wasn't God made flesh.
Sure he was! He was a landscaper for a gated community close by, until he was gored by a bore. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Some research, not the research. I think it's well within the realm of plausibility that he was. Then again it's a moot point. Whether or not he was real, we only know of his actions through stories anyway. Him not being real doesn't really affect that. Which raises the interesting question: is a real role model qualitatively better than a fictional role model?
You are correct regarding "some" rather than "the". Poor choice of words on my part. I think that as a role model one isn't necessarily better than the other (real vs imagined). It's all a moot point in another regard. The Bible isn't anything (if actually read) that one would want as a role model in the first place.
As is often the case, these threads sometimes stray from the main topic. Being that religion is often introduced at a young age, I thought Beer w/Straw had touched on an interesting point with her post. I just wanted to explore it some more. Religion wasn't a big influence in my youth, nor was it a big influence for those with whom I associated.
Ok... Jesus is a good roll model if one assumes that Heaven... Hell... God an souls are not real... an cheery-pick only the good stuff about Jesus from the Holey Bible.!!! Hmmm... if you leave out the bad-stuff/horrors i supose any cult leader coud be consiedered a good roll model.!!!
I think you've got it backwards. It think Jesus was a real person. And he didn't think he was the son of God. He certianly didn't lead a cult. He had his ideas about how to live a good life, and was annoyed that others lived it with such artifice. It was other people that built the whole cult upon him, all the God and brimstone stuff was attached to him, long after the fact - like centuries after, when the Romans decided to fold several religions into one. Watch Monty Python's Life of Brian for a humorous take on how Jesus inadvertantly and unwillingly came to be such a superhero.
Well... everbody has ther own ideas of what a good roll modle is... but id be leary of anybody who is suportive of... or thanks that eternal torture is fair an just.!!! Whats an example of the best philsophy that you thank Jesus had.???
Even at 8 years old i was highly suspect of Holey Bible stuff... an at around 16 i found out that my best 2 frinds (one was Church of Christ an the other was Baptist) thout each other was goin to hell... an it just puzzled me how they coud beleive such stuff about each other... addin to my idea that Holey Bible believers had a screw loose.!!!
I don't think it's all bad. I had a friend whose father was a truck driver--nice guy, never said a nasty word, cared well for his family. I never caught any hint of religious sentiment from the guy. He had a near-death experience at work. From that point on he was a changed man. He sold his house, sold his truck, bought a boat and took his family to the South Pacific to do missionary work. I think some people have an epiphany, an experience that changes their entire perspective. Some people are born into it, others are simply searching. A sense of spirituality seems to be a common thread for people. It has expressed itself in one form or another throughout history. It's kinda hard to ignore.
I dont promote teechin superstition.!!! I agree... i grew up wit it an im perty much surrounded by it here in the Bible belt... but i just ant superstitious.!!!
[QUOTE="cluelusshusbund, post: 3390534, member: 43960] I agree... i grew up wit it an im perty much surrounded by it here in the Bible belt... but i just ant superstitious.!!![/QUOTE] There's nothing wrong with that. I think the inclination is stronger in some people than in others.
Fine . But why would Yeshua be a good role model without the stuff you mentioned? What is eternal torture, and where is it mentioned in any scripture, let alone the Bible? Jan.
I dont know... i was speekin from Daves perspective... an in the meantime im waitin for him to give clues that might help answr that.!!! That hell is everlastin is not an uncomon belief amoung Bible Belivers... but aparently like you... i dont believe any of it ether... ie... eternal torture means whatever it means to diferent people who believe such stuff an thats who im talkin to when i speek of it... so mayb one of those believers can pont to scripture it which its explained.!!!
