What is a Muslim?

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  1. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    So basically my first post without the added on "and Muhammad is to be considered chief prophet"?
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yes and the difference between ilah and Allah, which is not God and Allah but a god and the God.
     
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  5. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    So basically: There is no deity but God and Muhammad is his prophet?
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    that would do it.

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  8. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    So if one professed nothing but that, one would be a Moslem?

    Would this entail anything special? Such as a first-class ticket to paradise? Or would one be able to go to Islamic Hell if one did not pray towards Mecca, abstain from impure foods, et cetera?
     
  9. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Allah cannot be the God of the Bible because Allah was the Moon god, one of 360 pre Islamic Arab gods.

    Jesus said He is the Son of God, but Allah, through Muhammed, denies this, so Allah calls Jesus a liar, therefore obviously, Allah and the God of the Bible are not the same.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Its really Muslim you know, Moslem gives it the wrong connotation.

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    And yes, that is sufficient to qualify as a Muslim, you need no ceremony, just the shahada or declaration of faith.
    There is Muslim, who accepts the above, and there is Momin, one who has faith or is a believer (e.g. is a believer and faithful). Usually being a Muslim means acceptance of Mohammed as a Prophet, being a Momin means devoting your life to your faith through jihad (struggle for faith, or iman).

    Someone who is a Muslim and a Momin would follow all the tenets of Islamic faith ideally to the best of his ability.
     
  11. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    SamCDKey:

    I had thought Moslem and Muslim are held to be alternative spellings if one another?

    Yet one can be a Moslem/Muslim without being a Momin? And the result is, afterlife speaking?
     
  12. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Hey, PJ, you're a Muslim now! Or does an internet posting not count?
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Alternate spellings? Actually I've never seen anyone using your spelling so I wouldn't know.

    Sure, most Muslims even the bearded robed ones are not Momins.

    In terms of the afterlife, well no one really knows, but accountability is based on what rules you break and your underlying motivation in doing so.
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    More:

    And:
     
  15. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, the most valued jihad is that of he who takes up arms. Can't recall the scriptural passage ATM.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Is that why its called jihad asghar (the minor jihad) as compared to jihad akbar (major struggle) which is the descriptor for spiritual struggle?

     
  17. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Sam, I have to admit: it is a little disingenuous now to avoid the issue of translations. We do not speak Arabic: neither do the majority of muslims worldwide. How then is one to discuss islam without being muslim? It would be best to be frank about the translations and ascribe a different meaning to them.

    Your brother in Islam,

    Geoff
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Well one would say that if one is interested enough in a subject to criticise it, one must first study the subject. How much credence would you ascribe to an Indian writer who wrote a critique on Shakespeare without ever studying English?

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    And yes, the reason why so many people are led around by "experts" is because they don't bother to read for themselves.

    Is that any different from other conspiracy theorists?
     
  19. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Madanthonywayne:

    Oh no!

    SamCDKey:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Moslem

    What sort of ratio of good v. bad deeds are you supposed to be aiming for?
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm must be an American innovation?

    the word is from islam so it should ideally be mu-slim, that is the correct way.
    the word "mu" basically says "one who"

    as in
    mujrim (one who is a criminal, jurm=crime)
    muntazir (one who waits, intezar=wait)


    The best you can of course. The ideal is to improve by knowledge and practice, and learn from previous errors so as not to repeat them.
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    One point often missed is that the lesser gods apply not only to deities, the translation of "La ilaha illallah" can also be "There is none worthy of worship but God" and also excludes the worship of money, power and materialism over spiritualism.
     
  22. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I find "fight in the way of Allah" about seven times in the Quran. There's this, which explains quite clearly Allah's own preferences regarding jihad:

    Q 9: 23 onward deals in much the same vein, actually. Q 9: 111 is another notable passage in this respect, as is Q 9: 29.

    In ode to my artistic spirit, I couch my rebuttal in part of the form of the "Lazy Sunday Chronick-les of Narnia" SNL video.

    "Lazy Translation"

     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So is fight in the way of Allah a direct translation of jihad?

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    That appears to cover a multitude.

    i.e those who
    -believe
    -left their home
    -striven with wealth
    -striven with lives

    sort of covers everyone whos a Muslim?

    As a comparison, how many times does knowledge occur in the Quran?

    And peace? And forgiveness?
     

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