What if the Invasion of Poland was postponed until 1941?

if hitler would have waited it probably been worse for the german. without the war related tech advances and the polish further along in modernizing their military. plus a war in the pacific could have prevented a moltov-ribbolt type pact of forming.

 

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Yes.

Honestly, everyone read "The Ultra Secret", you will learn German victories through 39-41 are because of their superior communication system (and yes the ability of German Marshals/commander to take advantage), not their equipment, which was often inferior. Yes even in Poland in 39'. Inferior.

After Church started reading Hitler's mail (and increasing operational maneuvers and even tactical traffic), 41-43 and on, resulted in the Allies often knowing in-depth German supply situation, operational maneuvering, Hitler's direct orders, etc etc. Only commanders like Rommel and Manstein, who would go against the plans sometimes found any real success in this time. El Alamein and Kharkov are set piece setups to particularly destroy these two commanders, completely using information gained from ULTRA (Emigma cracking team).

Also not mentioned yet, is SS Units would be sprinkled more in the fighting force more in 41' causing the famous competition for resources that did more harm than good to German readiness. SS had NFU but to protect Hitler and should never have been used in combat. Obviously we all know why they were used, to kill innocent people and create more enemies and partisans than might ever be arrayed against one nation. Wehrmacht just didn't want that job.

 

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yeah i love how people talk about german tanks early in the way. the panzer 1 and 2(the most common german tanks than) were nothing more than glorified tankettes

 

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German tanks were better in some respects, but they were also high maintenance. Germany could not afford to support their superior tanks in the field for several reasons not the least amoung them was the inability of their airforce to defend their industrial capability and exteneded supply lines (e.g. oil).

 

While that's true Joe, that was really only a problem later in the war 43' on. In a 41' Poland start they would have enjoyed the short supply routes, Massive Luftwaffe, and good supply of oil/gas they had in 39'.

The Panther was, as someone said influenced greatly by the T34, but what made it hard to maintain was it's incredible suspension, which could allow moving and shooting (to a degree) which was unheard of, until it was made. Awesome for offense, yet they were often put in a defensive role, better suited for Tigers/selfpropelled/ATG/Tankkillers. Again as Oli said,(I think) they would not even be in development until at war with Russia.

 

Agreed, but I think ultimately unless they could control the air, they could not exercise a succesful campaign on land. I think that is still true today. Land forces are incredibly vulnerable, especially supply chains to air forces.

 

read something that the poles attempt to preserve their airforce was the wrong thing and they should have just thrown at the lufwaffe

 

Firing while moving was British standard doctrine during the Inter-war and Early War periods.
That's one reason Brit tanks had smaller guns - they had to balanced on the mounting so that the gunner could use them rather like a large rifle - pulled into his shoulder and aimed manually. This caused problems with inboard length vis a vis turret ring size leading to lower calibres.

 

only because though the ENIGMA code machine was captured early on and on the battle field

since if this not happen , then the codes would have been deciphered much latter if at all , if the war was delayed by two yrs or so

 

The airforce is not much of an airforce if you cannot use or do not use it.

 

um the poles first broke enigma in 32 an expanded upon it though out the 7 years prior to the war. the only problems involved during the war was figuring out when a different rotor was used and the actual cypher being used for the message.

 

lol!

 

what's so funny about history?

 

Japan, had bet the farm with Pearl Harbor, and lost. If they were succesful in destroying the carriers, than the US would have ahd to make more before fighting, that would give Japan around 6 months to a year to take whatever they liked with no opposition.

Unfortunately the carriers were not in Pearl, actually they had such awful luck that the Enterprise literally should have been in port, it had hit a storm, and the destroyers were slowed down so there was a one day delay, guess what day they were delayed on?

 

I dont think they would have had too many advantages.

 

Wow! To say that Hitler was a bad leader is quite ignorant.

He was a political and strategic genius even if his objectives were far from respectable. He did a lot for Germany! He was key in the planning and developement of the Autobahn. Before his reign, one in every four people had a job. He ended up created work for nearly EVERY German citizen. In doing so, he virtually eliminated poverty which had been skyrocketing for years. The income of the German worker has risen by 70% by 1937. The number of motor vehicles in Germany had doubled by 1937. Between 1927 and 1931, German agricultural debt rose by 2.9 billion marks. From 1933 to 1936, it fell by 800 million marks which is a huge decrease. The national income in 1932 was 45.2 billion marks. It grew since then, reaching 68 billion marks in 1937.

And not to mention, ANYONE who takes over the majority of a continent has to be doing something right.

Just because you don't like someone or their actions doesn't mean that you have to be completely ignorant to them. Read a history book about Hitler and the German forces and how things grew and transpired. Hell, read a book about German WWII economics. Then try to tell someone that he was a bad leader.

:crazy:

 

Yamamoto thought it was a very bad idea. You have probably heard the we have awakened a sleeping giant line of his

 

yeah don't forget Goring and Donitz were opposed to carriers and the germans just didn't have the expierene to use them effectively

 

It was an amazing idea, a great offensive.

But to put it in poker terms.

they thought they would win with two pairs of 2's and kings,
but we had a full house,

they made a brilliant attack, if the carriers had been in pearl, the war would have been much longer and harder, at the most they would have gotten maybe a cease fire while keeping the conquered territories including wake, midway, australia, guinear, korea, parts of china, and maybe hawaii but unlikely.

Worst case theyd have lost, but it wouldve been bloodier.

But, our carriers werent in port they lost the gamble.

 

hell , read about his military decisions

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