What happned to Saddam-Iraq's WMD that they have used on Kurds & on Iran?

Surprisingly, it does.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2006/03/heroes_in_error.html

 

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Actually they form a line before me and fall down in front of me as I go, so I can walk all over them with my stilletos.

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ha ha ha ha, i can picture that. Bodyguards wouldnt stand a chance w\ Sam though

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but either way it's hard not to like her.

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....um, i'll probabably end up editing that later.

 

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http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm

Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)
References
Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction: The Assessment of the British Government" September 24, 2002
Information on Iraq's Biological Warfare Program 12 November 1993
Major Sites Associated With Iraq's Past WMD Programs UNSCOM 3 December 1997

Salman Pak / Al Salman
Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility at Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.

The Salman Pak biological warfare facility was located on a peninsula caused by a bend in the Tigris river, approximately five kilometers (km) from the arch located in the town of Salman Pak. The facility area comprised more than 20 square km, and might have been known as a farmers (or agricultural) experimentation center. The peninsula was fenced off and patrolled by a large guard force. Immediately inside and to the east of the fence line were two opulent villas: the larger built for Iraqi president Saddam Hussein and the other for his half-brother, Barazan al-Tikriti. A main paved road ran through the center of the Salman Pak facility/peninsula. [GulfLINK]

Plans were made in the mid-1980's to develop the Salman Pak site into a secure biological warfare research facility. Dr Rihab Taha, head of a small biological weapons research team, continued to work with her team at al-Muthanna until 1987 when it moved to Salman Pak, which was under the control of the Directorate of General Intelligence.

Located at the facility are several buildings. The probable main research building at the site is a modern building, composed of twenty four rooms, housing a major BW research facility. Using current technology the research area alone had sufficient floor space to accommodate several continuous-flow or batch fermenters that could produce daily sufficient anthrax bacteria to lethally assault hundreds of square kilometers. Adjacent to the research building is a storage area which contains four munitions type storage bunkers with lightning arrestors. Two of these bunkers have facilities for storage of temperature sensitive biological material. Approximately a mile down the road from the research area is a complex US intelligence believed to be an engineering area. One building in this complex was thought to contain a fermentation pilot plant capable of scale up production of BW agents. A construction project comprising several buildings was begun in early 1989 adjacent to the engineering area, and was near completion in 1990. This new complex was assessed as a pharmaceutical production plant. As such, this facility would have an extensive capability for biological agent production. [GulfLINK]

 

This is getting tedious:
28 September, 2004, keynote Labour conference speeech

"The evidence about Saddam having actual biological and chemical weapons, as opposed to the capability to develop them, has turned out to be wrong. I acknowledge that and accept it. I simply point out, such evidence was agreed by the whole international community, not least because Saddam had used such weapons against his own people and neighbouring countries.

"And the problem is, I can apologise for the information that turned out to be wrong, but I can't, sincerely at least, apologise for removing Saddam.

"The world is a better place with Saddam in prison not in power."

"I can apologise for the information being wrong but I can never apologise, sincerely at least, for removing Saddam. The world is a better place with Saddam in prison."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3692996.stm

 

[edit] United Nations
In November 2001 Charles Duelfer, then an UNSCOM weapons inspector, also said that Iraqi officials also claimed that the facility was for counterterrorism, but after witnessing the drills performed there he “automatically took out the word 'counter'" dismissing the claim as a fraud [15]. Weapons inspector Richard Sperzel clarified that the dismissal was not backed up by any evidence: "Many of us had our own private suspicions... We had nothing specific as evidence. Yet among ourselves we always referred to it as the terrorist training camp."[16]

 

United States Military
On April 6, 2003, CENTCOM spokesman, Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks, told reporters:

“ A raid occurred [at a training camp near Salman Pak] in response to information that had been gained by coalition forces from some foreign fighters that we encountered from other country, not Iraq, and we believe that this camp had been used to train these foreign fighters in terror tactics...Some of these fighters came from Sudan, some from Egypt, some from other places. We have killed a number of them and we have captured a number of them. That's where the information came from...The nature of the work being done by some of those people that we captured, their inferences to the type of training that they received, all of these things give us the impression that there was terrorist training that was conducted at Salman Pak. We did also find some other things there. We found some tanks and destroyed them, we found armored personnel carriers and destroyed them in small numbers. We destroyed buildings that were used for command and control and other buildings that were used for morale and welfare. We destroyed the complex. All of that when you roll it together, the reports, where they're from, why they might be here tell us there's a linkage between this regime and terrorism and that's something that we want to break...There's no indications of specific organizations that I'm aware of inside of that. We may still find it as with all operations that we conduct into a place, we look for more information after the operation is complete. We'll pull documents out of it and see what the documents say, if there's any links or indications. We'll look and see if there's any persons that are recovered that may not be Iraqi. All of that is detailed and deliberate work that happens after the fact.[20]

 

Syzygys:"Saddam:" Hey Ahmed, come here!"
Ahmed:"Yes boss.."
Saddam:"Go put all these chemical craps from the lab on a truck and get ride of them!!!"

So Ahmed put everything into his truck, drove out to the desert and dumped everything on the sand. They didn't fill files on it, they didn't take pics of it. They just dumped it somewhere a few years ago..."

Saddam never could trust Ahmed with the knowledge that his WMD program was defunct, because Saddam held onto power by keeping various Iraqi factions under intense fear of brutal reprisals.

This was Saddam's fatal trap: He couldn't keep the weapons and avoid international retribution, and he couldn't admit not having them and avoid multiple domestic uprisings.

"They didn't fill files on it, they didn't take pics of it."

But US intel would have. The United States had complete satellite and aerial coverage of everything moving in Iraq then. Every likely weapons cache was designated for early ground recon at the outset of the Invasion. Ahmed couldn't have hid his own shit in the open desert at that time.

The Iraq Survey Group then conducted an exhaustive and professional search for Saddam's WMDs. They were extremely well staffed and funded. In January 2005 they wrapped up, stating they had "not found evidence that Saddam possessed WMD stocks in 2003," and acknowledging "the possibility that some weapons existed in Iraq, although not of a militarily significant capability."

 

Couldn't see at night ...can't even see at night now with satellite scanning.

Ten peoplle and two vehicles to search an area the size of California?! And they did a thorough job of searching???? Who the fuck are you kidding, Hype??

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Baron Max

 

Don't you read the news regularly?

Lies, damn lies.

 

Baron Max: "Couldn't see at night "

Bullshit. Infrared sensors made finding moving vehicles much easier at night than in daylight.

"Ten peoplle and two vehicles to search an area the size of California?!"

Bullshit again. 1,400 people were assigned to the ISG, augmented by the cooperative efforts of US and British intel assets, all spurred on by American leadership that was desperate to substantiate the only reasonable justification for the invasion. The WMD search in Iraq was thorough, to say the least.

 

It appears that the main focus of the group was in and around Baghdad, which mean very little search was carried in the rest of the country.

Organization and Operations
To make the WMD search more manageable, ISG was operationally divided up into several sectors each with its own Sector Control Point. The three sectors were North, Baghdad and South, with Sector Control Point-Baghdad (also known as SCP-B or "skip bee") being the primary and largest. SCP-B and the core of the ISG staff were located on Camp Slayer at the former Al Radwaniyah Presidential Site on Baghdad International Airport in western Baghdad.

 

Most probably they did not like what they found:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/unmovic/2003/1210wmd.htm

 

hypewaders, 1400 people to search a country the size of Iraq? that breaks down to 121 square miles per man, and how many of the 1400 were actual inspectors, this number includes security, office personnel, and the support people, so looking at the normal number of people in support of operations at about 10 to 1, that means 140 inspectors, which means that each inspector was responsible for 1209 sq. miles of territory and if you look at the fact that there were 3 inspection teams that means that each team was responsible for 56414 sq. miles of Iraq, and again were did they do most of their inspections, in the cities? so how through do you think they could be?

 

CNS is not a real news organization.

 

What is it then?

 

Originally the Conservative News Service, it was quietly changed over the summer to Cybercast News Service.

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2000/cnschange.html

 

Baron Max: "very little search was carried in the rest of the country."

Not only are you full of shit, you are also insulting many fine soldiers and government workers, some of whom gave their lives looking for weapons that weren't there.

More background: MAJ Kevin Brown (click on "access this item")

"so how through do you think they could be?"

Very thorough. They didn't miss anything.

 

Really, then why are Chemical and Biological weapons still turning up?

 

There are old weapons there, dangerous but probably out of date, hardly a stockpile that Iraq could use in any strategic way.