What do scientists and Theists have in common?

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What do scientists and Theists have in common?

  1. They tend to care about their families, pets and students

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  2. They are passionate and are prone to at least some forms of bias

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  3. They have invested heavily in becoming professional and qualified in their field

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  4. They both tend to recognize that we should do less harm to the environment

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  5. All of the above

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  1. Dennis Tate Registered Senior Member

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    The majority of both scientists and Theists do love their kids.... their spouses... their parents and grandparents and of course their dogs!

    A significant percentage of both scientists and Theists are also educators......
    who invest many years of study to become qualified to teach their specialty......

    A significant percentage of both scientists as well as Theists have English as a first language..... which is very good news for the future of this discussion forum.

    I taught English as a second language in Quito, Ecuador from January of 2001 until April of 2002 which was quite a privilege for a guy who had worked at forestry and other menial jobs for all of my life. I plead guilty to having been somewhat bitten by the "Educator Virus"........ so my apologies for my having some sort of diabolical plan for just about every discussion that I begin.........

    .... I also taught my step son from my first failed marriage to play chess in 1990 and within four months he was Nova Scotia champion for Grade five students. I took him to the Canadian national championships on the March break of 1991, and he did win against the Grade five champion from Saskatchewan, one of the only other provinces in Canada with a population of only one million.

    I am of the belief that a very high percentage of scientists as well as Theists may be able to come together regarding an alternative theory on stabilization of the climate that would tend to hit Theists with a touch of guilt regarding our having terribly failed at:


    "And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it." (Genesis 2:15)

    The majority of scientists and the majority of Theists do recognize the fact that our children and grandchildren will inherit this earth........ a lot of room for improvement could be made in how we apply the very basic principles of "environmentalism."
     
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  3. Dennis Tate Registered Senior Member

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    On one side of this question is the obvious fact that lives are at stake
    ..... frankly millions and even billions of lives are at stake in relation to how we address.....
    or fail to address how our industrial economy is or is not affecting the environment????????????

    While I lived in Quito, Ecuador I found out that outside of the city by about one kilo-meter and you will hit
    a rate of illiteracy that is well above sixty percent.

    In all of my four previous campaigns for public office I was hoping that somebody would translate my primary campaign writings into
    side by side Spanish to English and English to Spanish.... so that some of my former students at Universidad Technologica de Israel de Quito might
    just be able to use what I wrote to gain even greater enthusiasm to continue learning English as a second language.

    So far... I haven't managed to arrange for that to happen... but I haven't given up yet.......

    .... (Note... with a sum total of forty one ballots cast for me in all four of my previous campaigns I feel that I may be qualified as
    "Canada's Worst Politician.!"...... (certainly one of the worst anyway))!
     
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  5. Dennis Tate Registered Senior Member

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    PREDICTION: APRIL FOOLS DAY 2021 IS GOING TO BE WILD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  7. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Scientists and theists are not mutually exclusive categories, which makes this entire thread kind of pointless, if you ask me.
     
  8. Dennis Tate Registered Senior Member

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    Scientists seem to me to be coming up with evidence that to my thinking indicates that The Creator.....
    is first and foremost a Scientist / Inventor.

    The logic of this should have a significant effect on theology over the coming couple of centuries.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/something-from-nothing-vacuum-can-yield-flashes-of-light/

    From the perspective of our point of view it may appear that these particles are merely popping in and out of our dimension.... but it seems almost obvious that they may have been in another one or more of the other dimensions explained by String Theory before and after their seemingly short lived visit to our dimension where electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong nuclear force are NOT in unity.

     
  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    the poll is a poll asking you to agree that they are both the same
    its not a poll because it doesn't poll both sides of a specific concept
    it is borderline low quality propaganda

    opinionated discussion versus polling

    polling and real hard data in this pandemic reality is a touchy subject


    ok
    so this is your correct thread subject
    and the thread subject probably needs to be moved to alternate theory's

    keeping in mind your using conventional science
    psychology
    to attest advancing theoretical principals un-proven of conventional scientific frame works

    so conversation version versus scientific version
    versus playing click bait games inside religion audiences

    ive met socialized and chatted at length with people who have studied the bible extensively and also study science

    but your spinning psychology as conventional science to use as your tool to define an alternate theory example

    intellectually your trying to save a drowning concept by jumping in the water/discussion with an anchor tied to your theory

    FYI
    climate change is going to effectively wipe out religion at its current rate
    the impending doom of massive sea level rise and sudden changing climate will force a more brutal science required survival of the fittest type of reality and religion as a conventional construct as institutionalized religion
    will be wiped out

    so you may realise why i find those conservative religious types promoting fake anti covid media & propaganda
    but thats some people

    where does conventional institutionalized religion hold its most followers ?
    in 3rd world economic situations
    they are all going to be turned into refugees by climate change

    so concerning your question
    what-do-scientists-and-theists-have-in-common

    climate change
    human biological reality (requires food water shelter & is subject to diseases & illnesses and viruses solar flares etc etc)

    all your poll answer options are morals
    and not actual comparisons
    they are shared attribute moral directive values

    for a science message board this thread is probably one of the most troll like i have seen for a few weeks for a science forum
    comparing scientists with bible teachers


    you are exploiting the "Religion" message board area to flame science
    in a science message board


    im not sure if you think this is a valid form of comedy

    it lacks any real punch line
    reads more like low brow propaganda trying to dazzle believers with some type of kumbaya type idea

    or just trying to mock the science boards

    what have i miss interpreted ?



    this is probably best suited to alternate theory's

    theoretical quantum physics
    string theory
    general discussion basic concepts


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Greene

    Brian discusses these ideas in some of his documentary's

    it reads almost as though you have simply copied some of his words
    if you are quoting him you need to add his name


    keep in mind if your quoting Brian or Michio & then attempting to use their own words
    breaching copywrite
    to then spin religion to undermine advanced scientific theory(attempting to use their content against them)
    you may find yourself coming undone eventually



    if you want to create a new term under religion
    may i suggest
    creationist multi verse god creates a multi verse

    you will still need to provide accreditation to those your quoting

    im a HUGE brian & michio fan
    fyi
    besmirch them at your own intellectual peril
     
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  10. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    unity.

    https://www.ted.com/talks/brian_greene_making_sense_of_string_theory/transcript
     
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  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    "What do scientists and Theists have in common?"

    They both end in -ists.

    What do I win?
     
  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    lol
    a world of "ist's" & "isism's"

    they are both human
    thus biological
    share basic needs of biological life forms

    everything else is up for speculative debate.
    moral concepts are subjective to regional cultural and national groups and boundarys

    assigning an international moral value to a set field of subjective pro-noun for a functional role(in this case professional)
    is pure entertainment

    who is the audience ?
     
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  13. Dennis Tate Registered Senior Member

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    I am no scientist......
    I am a janitor.....
    so a logical question on my mind is.....
    am I an IDIOT to suspect that those particles did not vanish at all.....
    but instead they went off into another level of energy that is explained by high school language String Theory?????

     
  14. Dennis Tate Registered Senior Member

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    Nineteen thousand four hundred and seventeen posts.......
    Wow!!!

    I will now send you a personal message to one of my other discussions that could over the following months be translated into an answer for part of your question??????
     
  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Science does not mention a "Creator", let alone discuss the natural of any putative Creator. You're confusing science and religion.
     
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  16. Dennis Tate Registered Senior Member

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    Or.... perhaps Stephen Hawking Ph. D. was a "Closet Theist" or at minimum a "Closet Agnostic" and was setting the stage for Theistic Evolutionary Theory in chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe?
     

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