WellWishers Mike Flynn Firing Conspiracy Theory

Discussion in 'Conspiracies' started by wellwisher, Feb 17, 2017.

  1. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    Mod hat - this was splintered from the Politics thread Should we be worried?

    The firing of General Flynn by Trump, was not due to anything Flynn did illegally. Rather it was due to Flynn once working for Obama and showing signs of being a Trojan Horse. The way Flynn misled the vice president, resulting in the left leaning controversy, suggested that Flynn was an operative for Obama.

    Flynn did nothing wrong talking to the Russian, since what he did was also talk to the representatives from over 30 countries, including Russia. The only country you hear about, from the left, is with Russia, so the left can distort reality in favor of the Russian hacking of the election. There was no need for Flynn to mislead the vice president, unless the goal was to create a problem for Trump and the VP Pence. The Democrats had to dig up a 200 year old law that has never been enforced, to spin this as a crime.

    The reason Flynn was fired, due to misleading, suggested that Flynn was part of the secret shell government, set up by Obama. This shell government is a like an underground resistance based on 8 years of political appointments and mid and high level manager loyalists in the intelligence and government bureaucracies. They are in place, to help undermine Trump or anyone not with their program, often to protect their own interests. The EPA bureaucracy does not benefit by fewer regulations, since you don't need as many people, especially in the middle management level.

    Flynn may have been a willing participant, or he may have been blackmailed, since he spoke out against Obama, years before and was fired by Obama. Consider what happened to General Petraeus, for speaking out and not playing ball. Or the firing by Obama, may have been staged, to give Flynn credibly, so he could be hidden time bomb in a key inside position. Or he may have accepted the role of trojan horse, to avoid exposure of something that could hurt his career. This may be closest to the truth since Trump likes him as a man but knows what can happen if someone feels trapped.

    The real story is the leaking of classified information by insiders connected to Obama and Clinton. They broke the law and will be investigated by the AG. However, with the help of fake news, the left was hoping to create a disabling propaganda story, before Trump gets his full cabinet and his supreme court appointment, and becomes too strong for the shell government to do anything but make noise.

    The left did not learn from history, that Trump is made of teflon. He survived the assault and now the next step will be a counter offensive. This has begun with Trump taking on the fake news media ,and this intelligence loyalists looking for moles. Once they find one and use a harsh penalty as an example, they will sing for immunity.
     
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  3. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    This is some iceaura level political conspiracy stuff.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Of course not. It was due to him getting caught.
     
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  7. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Wellwisher - kindly submit even a modicum of evidence to back this claim (within 24 hours), or I will cleave it from this thread and drop it into the Conspiracy Theory sub-forum where, by all accounts, it belongs...
     
  8. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Wellwisher is a walking Conspiracy Theory sub-forum

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  9. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    ... you know what, you are absolutely right. No, fuck it, I'm moving this garbage now. It has no place anywhere but the Conspiracy section... (well, possibly the Cesspool, but whatever).
     
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  10. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    So let's get this right; you believe 2 years before the election, before it was known who would be running for POTUS in 2016, before Trump announced he would be running for POTUS, Obama fired Flynn in order to get him into a nonexistent Trump campaign and eventually into a non existent Trump administration so that Flynn could mislead his vice president and be exposed by some unnamed "leakers" in order to embarrass Trump and be fired by Trump.

    Wow! That's quite a conspiracy. Where is the evidence? Where is the evidence Obama has such precognitive abilities? I think you have been watching too much sci-fi television or listening to too much right wing nonsense. That's a lot of precognition and a lot of effort for very little meat.

    Well, he did do something wrong, that's why your beloved Trump fired him. He lied to the people he was advising. When your value rests upon your credibility, lying is a pretty big wrong. Just because he wasn't prosecuted for it, it doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.

    It's kind of funny hearing that argument come from right wingers like you considering all of your nonsense about Hillary's emails. She wasn't arrested either. But it doesn't mean she didn't do something wrong.

    Flynn was forced into retirement because of his loose relationship with the facts, which coincidentally is why Trump fired him. No executive would want a subordinate with a loose relationship with the facts. Even someone like you should be able to figure that out.

    "He was reportedly effectively forced out of the DIA after clashing with superiors over his allegedly chaotic management style and vision for the agency.[27][28][29][30] In a private e-mail that was leaked online, Colin Powell said that he had heard in the DIA (apparently from later DIA director Vincent R. Stewart) that Flynn got fired because he was "abusive with staff, didn't listen, worked against policy, bad management, etc."[29] According to The New York Times, Flynn exhibited a loose relationship with facts, leading his subordinates to refer to Flynn's repeated dubious assertions as "Flynn facts".[31]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Flynn#Retirement

    Here is the problem for you and those like you Wellwisher, contrary to Trump's assertion, the truth isn't propaganda or fake news. It's just the truth. You obviously don't like it, but that doesn't make it "fake news". Trump has benefited greatly from fake news, e.g. Pizzagate.

    Trump has asserted that any news which doesn't reflect favorably on him is fake news just as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and every other dictator has asserted. http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/02/06/trump-says-all-negative-polls-are-fake-news/

    The leaking of classified information isn't the issue here. There have always been leakers in Washington DC. Every POTUS has had them. Obama was particularly aggressive in finding and prosecuting leakers .
    http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...apper-obama-has-used-espionage-act-more-all-/

    The issue here is Trump's relationship with the Russian government. The issue here is Flynn's discussion of the Russian sanctions before the Trump administration had taken power in violation of the law. The issue here is why Flynn thought it necessary to lie to the FBI and to Vice President Pence about his involvement. You may want an adviser who lies to you, but I don't know too many people who do. That's the issue here.

    Trump's administration has begun with chaos and will likely end in chaos. Trump has only been POTUS for less than a month and already his administration is deeply mired in chaos. He hasn't been able to get anything passed through congress: not a single thing. He has already gone through one national security adviser. Trump's replacement for that job has turned it down citing the unclear lines of authority and general chaos within the Trump White House. Even though Trump's party controls the Senate, he hasn't been able to get all of his appointees approved. His Labor Department nominee withdrew because he couldn't get enough Republican votes. His Education Department nominee required Pence to vote for her, because Trump couldn't get enough Republicans to vote for her.

    Trump's signature campaign promises, "locker up" and the "wall" have quickly gone the way of the Dodo Bird. He isn't locking her up. The wall which Mexico was to pay for has gone from a wall to a fence and a partial fence at that and the US is paying for it, not Mexico.

    That doesn't sound like Teflon to me comrade. Unfortunately for you and yours, Trump isn't made of Teflon, gold, or any other metal. He is made of flesh. He isn't a god. He is just a man, and a deeply flawed man as evidenced by his first 3 and a half weeks in office.

    The sad part here is the Republican Party has gone off the deep end with these wild ass conspiracies.
     
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