Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by Arditezza, Sep 7, 2004.
I guess you can answer that yourself now.
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Wow, you sure do go a long way to insult the rest of your fellow posters. I mean, look at all the people you left off the list. They'll be glad to know what you think of them.
Let me get this straight. You exclude me from the list of intelligent people (Could be considered an insult). And now you get all upset because I return the favour to you?
Smoking pot again?
What the hell are you talking about?
Put down the crack pipe and try again.
(Hint - Take it more slowly this time:read the post.)
No, I can't.
What "proper things" are to one person, may be "improper things" to another.
But anyway, this is getting tedious.
From what I've gathered, the reason to remove WCF's moderator status is (for those who wish so) not that he would be a bad moderator; but the reason is his "lack of social graces, humanity, intelligence and such" -- right?
While being a bad moderator can be easily proven, "lacking social graces, humanity, intelligence" is easy to point at, but hard to condemn in a just way, with arguments.
In other words, those who want WCF's moderator status removed wish so because WCF is "not man enough", not because he'd be a bad moderator.
It's not because he's not man enough. It's because he's a hypocrite, an antagonist, and is spammy even by Xev's definition. In some threads he just says one line quips that are completely off topic, but he keeps up with it. He's over zealous, illiterate, makes very bad judgments, insults posters, he can't type, can't get a point across, is hyper paranoid, thinks everyone hates him, isn't fair to certain posters, too quick on the trigger, lacks social graces, humanity and he's not very bright at all.
All of which has been reiterated, and even pointed to in this thread.
If you say that he is "a hypocrite, an antagonist, and is spammy even by Xev's definition. In some threads he just says one line quips that are completely off topic, but he keeps up with it. He's over zealous, illiterate, makes very bad judgments, insults posters, he can't type, can't get a point across, is hyper paranoid, thinks everyone hates him, isn't fair to certain posters, too quick on the trigger, lacks social graces, humanity and he's not very bright at all" -- then you are, in short, saying that he is not "man enough".
You want his moderator status be removed because of his personality (which you do not like) then?
And you would like to see some smarter, with more humanity and social graces etc. in his position?
Fact is, he has been elected for moderator, those who voted for him had their reasons to do so. Apparently, to them, being "a hypocrite, an antagonist, spammy, quipping one-liners that are completely off topic, but keeping up with it, being over zealous, illiterate, making very bad judgments, insulting posters, not being able to type, get a point across, being hyper paranoid, thinking everyone hates you, not being fair to certain posters, being too quick on the trigger, lacking social graces, humanity, and not being very bright at all" -- was either acceptable, or they have completely other measurements.
As far as I can see, if you want this forum to be after your taste, you will have to do something with the voters, so that they will vote in a manner that will be pleasing to you ...
And calling them "stupid people" won't help, mind you.
I hope you can understand yourself.
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I might as well start subscribing to AOL again if this is the kind of shit that sciforums is turning into. Now, both, no... all of you shut the fuck up.
Oh yes, no one is forcing me to read this thread; but when it becomes apparent that the entire forum is degrading into this drivel... Well, someone has to cuss.
And yes, I care about this situation deeply because I've spent a large amount of time here and have invested in its quality. Saying that you don't care is a major fuck up. So is assumption (If you get my movie reference; I'll give you head, or face).
I'm sure the quality of the forum is raised by scaring away scientists.
And none of which has been impressive enough to convince me that we'd be doing anything but arbitrarily enforcing a rule that posters strive to trample every day.
And I hope someday you can beg, borrow, or buy a legitimate point.
Yes indeed, the fact that he likes to scare scientists away with his behaviour is not a legitimate point.
I know that I shouldn't laugh after reading that perfect description of wellcooked fetus,......................but:
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But seriously now,
I think that wellcookedfetus is trying too hard to do his job. Arditezza's description of wellcookedfetus being "over zealous" seems to be his biggest problem as a moderator.
One of my favorite moderators was old "Oxygen." Every so often, I would go by there and antagonize the religious & anti-religious members, just to get them stirred up a little, as well as give them somebody to punch on & to take out their frustration. And to Oxygen's credit, he would only go after me when I got really out of hand & started in with foul language, ect.. But even then, Oxygen would just post a very polite reply message saying something like, 'Hey Howard, I know what you are doing, but some of the members are complaining about your ...... Would you please refrain from this?'
I always respected Oxygen for that, because it showed that he could deal with a very disruptive element (like me) without creating a civil war, getting personally involved, hurting my feelings & intimidating me, or drawing unnecessary attention & criticism to himself. In all of the times that I would get drunk & terrorize the religious forum, not once did Oxygen delete my crap or ban me. He didn't have to, because he would be polite and respectful toward me, even when I was being a beligerent, drunken ass**ole. And even in that condition, I could appreciate his kindness & would usually stop right afterwards (well, most of the timePlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!).
The point is that, if wellcooked fetus were running religion, he would have either instantly deleted my junk, banned me, or both. At the very least he would have engaged in a series of personal attacks, insults, or arguments.
Honestly, I don't want to see wellcookedfetus forcefully removed from his moderator position. I'm sure that it means a lot to him and I know that all of the criticism is very hurtful to him. I'm sure that he is doing the very best that he can. In fact, I think that he is trying to do his job too well. If he would just stay out of the fray and only step in to be helpful or to settle things down (a little) when they get out of hand, then I think that all of the members would respect his moderating and even grow to like him, in time.
This may sound completely crazy, but how about if the all moderators were to trade off their own forums, like a vacation away...., with each other, say for a month or so? The time away from the same old forum would probably do everyone some good. How about if Stryderunknown & wellcooked fetus were to trade forums for a month? Stryder is another one of those people that I have tried to rile up & every since I came back from the dead, he has shown great restraint toward me. In fact, I feel that he one of the most respected moderators on the internet. In turn, the time away from the political forum would probably do wellcookedfetus a lot of good. He could spend a little more time in computer tech & if something came up that he couldn't help a member with, he could always get a little help from Stryder. I would think that all of the other moderators get a little tired of dealing with the same old forum day after day and that they might like to trade with each other occasionally. It would surely broaden everyone's horizons and bring in some fresh perspectives and ideas. I am sure that if wellcookedfetus got the extra input from being in different forums, that it could only help him and I personally would much prefer that over removing him & eventually causing him to leave Sciforums altogether, out of shame and hurt feelings.
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That is a rather extreme way of reading his behaviour towards inamoranta.
How did he "drive her away"? By treating her as a sexual object?
Foolishness. A woman who posts the sort of picture she did is presenting herself as a sexual object. Your argument is akin to that of the woman who dresses provocatively and then takes offense to being whistled at. Utter hypocrisy.
Was it by swearing? If she is that thin-skinned, then she would have been driven away by the first flame she encountered.
By requesting a nude photo? Again, this is a bit of common sense women like to pretend to forget: if you present yourself in a sexual manner, men will respond to you in a sexual manner.
Ignoring that, the request was tounge in cheek, and you have been more misogynistic in posts that fetus ever has.
You want me to explain to you in what kind of atmosphere scientists in general like to discuss scientific topics?
Well, when said "scientists" choose to post their pictures - and to post "sexy" pictures at that - then I can only assume that those "scientists" like to discuss "scientific topics" in a hormonal haze.
sexy pictures. You must be really horny or something.
Does it matter that you have that opinion? Are Points only valid if you happen to agree with them? Are you the judge whether a point is impressive enough?
I thought that was what the vote was for on the top of this thread.
Newsflash: Different people judge the same things differenty.
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