We could be ''Knowing by heart'',scientists say

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  1. Counter Registered Senior Member

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    ...and the hearts didn't miss any beats??

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  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Very funny indeed, those!

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  5. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    The heart gets what it wants. Like a wizard.
     
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  7. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    But sometimes what the heart wants is not what the heart should have. Like a child.
     
  8. Jozen-Bo The Wheel Spinning King!!! Registered Senior Member

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    The human body is a system composed of systems. The liver has a systematic function, as does the stomach etc. All these systems work together to composing the overall system that makes life functional.

    Does the heart generate the majority of the body's electricity?

    If so, then that electrical pulse is required for the brain to function better, yes?

    What does the brain do if it doesn't have any electricity? It stops and you stop thinking.

    Cell phones pick up electro-magnetic waves, which tell them 01001100110110011101101011010101011 etc. This binary code is converted until the final result is a phone call or video.

    If the cell phone does not have electricity, it will not pick up the signal.

    The electricity is produced by the beating, and the brain gets electrical waves that help push neural transmitters from neuron to neuron, each wave providing extra push for the transmissions to occur.

    If the heart beats faster, the waves come faster. This doesn't automatically equate to more thinking though, I do suspect that is does influence the thought process when the brain is focused on a thinking process.

    It appears to me the two can not be totally isolated in a way that is healthy for either one.

    Supposing we had the means to extract a brain... oh never mind we do. It has been done to mice already. There is a scientist in England who has successfully extracted mouse brain and put it into a little robot. The robot receives signals from the brain, which is connected to circuits and kept in a nutrient rich fluid.

    Poor mouse

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    the little robot moves around, its camera eye looking at the world and it rolls on wheels attempting to react to its new hell prison.

    The little mice they do this to, do not live long, a week or 2 at best if memory serves me.

    I loath to fathom how awful the experience must be for that mouse... severed from its nervous system and suddenly stuck in some warped reality worse then a nightmare most likely. Sad science

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    Who knows, maybe the plan is to one day put our brains into robot bodies?

    David Rockefella forever???

    So far as far as I know this is not possible, the brain can not handle the transplant, and even though the cells are fed all they need, they still die, most likely do to total panic and sheer stress.

    It would be interesting if it were possible to ask the mouse if it finds that it can not think the same without the heart providing the natural electrical waves that help it to stay healthy. But this is not possible so far.

    A test could be set up to do something similar but taken the heart instead of the brain and putting it into the little robot. I doubt it would give solid conclusive evidence though, it would likely prove that the heart is not thinking like the brain.

    I do suspect that both heart and brain have some level of intelligence as it is innate with every cell in the body. The brain cells are specialized cells that perform advanced intelligent functions.

    All cells that live contain some bit of consciousness. Consciousness reaches advance states of awareness when these cells operate as a team, united into a body.

    I am tired, and can't make any conclusions, though I suspect there is a great deal of consciousness stemming from the heart which is greater then that of the intellectual thinking brain, though that does not operate in the same way as the brain which is a organism for processing thought, sensory input, and problem solving.

    Interesting, Ill have to read what they say in the article if I ever find time.
     
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  10. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    No

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    Maybe

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    Reference link please

    Reference link please

    Ya Correct

    most likely do to total panic and sheer stress

    Unknown

    Ya not possible

    Doubtful if ever will be

    natural electrical waves

    Electrical current applied to a patients brain during surgery and the patient awake elicit various responses which the patient can tell the surgeon about

    Correct

    Stupid experiment

    Already know hearts do not think

    And we're back to no

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    No

    I doubt any such article exist

    But IF such a article you might find it in the Woo section of Google which would I suspect direct you to various sites

    IF you do find such a article please post a link here

    In summation

    Not even wrong

    Attributed to theoretical physicist Wolfgang Pauli

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong

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  11. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    From Jozen-Bo Post 25
    From my Post 4
    I stand by the above. The heart is a pump

    Consciousness is an emergent property of a complex organism with many cells. It is too complex to exist in a single cell.

    It is interesting to note that consciousness might not be necessary for the intelligent functions of the human brain. It is obviously not required for with lessor (but still complex) functions of the brain.

    I can imagine a time in the future when a computer can come close to mimicking the intelligent functions without a hint of having consciousness.
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It has always been my (perhaps naïve) understanding that the entire universe functions in a quasi intelligent mathematical manner, from the pre-beginning to the present. Living things are just an bio-chemical expression of the inherent universal mathematical functions. I believe David Bohm called it the Implicate order, the universal energetic potentials becoming expressed in form, from the very subtle to manifest reality, through a form of abstract mathematics, some of which we have been able to symbolize by our sciences.
     
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  14. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    The Universe is not Intelligent

    The Universe is not Dumb

    The Universe is not even neutral

    The Universe is a collection of stuff which

    obeys the laws of physics

    No more no less

    The Universe has no sentinence

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  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Right and wrong, the universe can be compared to a giant quantum computer, employing implacable mathematical functions in hierarchical orders from abstract potentials to expression in our reality, where physical stuff is preceded by several levels of abstract mathematical functions.

    In reality stuff has relatively more empty space than physical qualities.

    Example; we can measure (divide) time into one second intervals. We can see and experience the tick tock of the second hand.
    But if we sped up the time intervals to quantum speed, with a quantum hand, we could not even observe the quantum hand. It would go much too fast for us to observe and the tick tock would be at a frequency which is completely outside of our observation.

    Just a spontaneous thought, but I'll come up with some links, when I find sone with credible analyses by credible cosmologists and theoretical mathematicians.
     
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  16. river Valued Senior Member

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    Contradictions .
     
  17. Counter Registered Senior Member

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    If a stone (or even this planet) is without time why do we all experience it?
     
  18. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    We don't

    We (even this planet) AGE

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  19. Counter Registered Senior Member

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    It is us that are aging, not the universe.
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The universe is in constant motion and evolving, which requires time. Stars are born and dying as we speak; the universe was born, is aging, and eventually will die.
     
  21. Counter Registered Senior Member

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    The universe is simply space. That's why it's expanding. So we have somewhere to move into.
     
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  22. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    OMG what do Scientist see looking into their telescopes?

    The janitor did not clean the big lens again?

    We're seeing dirt spots?

    Back to the white board

    By the way that simple space contains a lot of stuff

    It's a very low pressure vacuum to be sure and expanding to be sure decreasing the pressure even more to be sure

    Funny thing is the more expansion happens the more stuff is sucked off the solid bits of the Universe

    You know suns, planets and anything out there wizzing around

    True gravity holds onto much of what the wizzing around stuff has collected to itself

    Another factor to consider the average density of the Universe is decreasing which I understand means average gravity is decreasing

    Lets calculate

    Vaccum outside of our atmosphere decreasing in pressure
    Gravity of the solid bits decreasing

    Hope there is not a tipping point where vaccum obtains such a low pressure and gravity decreases to the point it is not strong enough to hold onto atmosphere

    Whoosh all gone

    How long can you hold your one remaining breath?

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  23. QuarkHead Remedial Math Student Valued Senior Member

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    Except you forgot to post your calculations. Feel free to do it now
     

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