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  1. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Based on what I have researched, that's good news that you avoid those sandwich meats. I used to be very fond of the hard salamis such as cervelat and gypsy salami but I find them horribly salty now so only once in a blue moon do I have them on heavy rye bread, like twice a year.

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    Watermelon is very good for us.

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    http://healthmad.com/nutrition/10-health-benefits-of-watermelon/
     
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  3. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    I think it's fascinating to know someone who is doing their own field trials on Vitamin C. For myself, I have taken up to 3 grams divided over the day when there are a lot of colds and flu going around. This winter, I took no regular supplements. and only grabbed the C for a week or so when my co-workers were dropping like flies. My diet seems to have gotten me by all of the seasonal 'plagues'.

    When I am taking that much vitamin C, I start feeling a bit dehydrated, and it certainly will make one's urine very yellow, with interesting color changes if you hit a facility that uses that blue '1000 flushes' product.

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    Don't blush. It's science.

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  5. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    I tend to drink lot's of water, so getting dehydrated is not a problem. Yes the urine is a little more yellow but not as much as you might think. But then I frequently urinate so don't give it much time to concentrate. Haven't tried the blue 1000 flushes product yet. While we are still on this subject I have a question that I'm curious about. If I eat asparagus and urinate 5 minutes later, I can smell it in my urine. I wonder if that's just me or does everybody notice that effect so quickly?

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  7. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Wow thanks for the watermelon tip. But it shouldn't matter if its, seedless or not. Right
     
  8. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Can't stand asparagus. Can't help you there. Also can't stand green beans or broccoli
     
  9. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Asparagus is a vegetable that I only consume on occasion and I can't say that I had noticed a co-relation to urine and odor although I have noticed that when I am eating a lot of protein, my urine will be darker and have a more pronounced smell. When I am eating more fruits and vegetables, I am relatively inoffensive.

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    If I may diverge to horses for a moment, when they are eating a lot of alfalfa hay (high in protein) their urine will leave very dark reddish orange stains on the snow, although it appears normal in color when they are passing same. Also, when the mares are in season their urine has a distinctly 'hot apple cider' scent that is not unpleasant but is quite distinct.

    Back to asparagus, here's some more information on it's odor inducing quality.

    http://www.everydayhealth.com/healthy-living/0111/why-does-asparagus-make-pee-smell-funny.aspx

    http://www.wisegeek.com/why-does-asparagus-make-some-peoples-urine-smell-funny.htm
     
  10. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Can't say without doing some looking, so I'll leave you to answer your own question.

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    On a hunch, I would choose the watermelons with the really red insides over some of the novelty colors being produced as they should contain greater amounts of lycopene.

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  11. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Okay, thanks for the links. I must be vary sensitive to the odor, because like I said it takes less than 5 minutes after eating it that I can smell it in my urine. I just find it hard to believe it can happen that fast.
     
  12. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    I like square watermelons as they are easier to deal with. I wish more stores would carry them.

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  13. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Really you don't like Chinese food with broccoli and or asparagus? That's hard to believe.
     
  14. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    Consuming ascorbic acid in quantity over time acidifies your blood such that it liberates calcium from your' teeth and bones. May not be a good idea to eat so much of that that you pee it out for this reason.

    Most of my diet is vegetables, broccoli, green beans and asparagus inclusive. Smelly piss doesn't bother me, but then I encounter offensive smells frequently out in the real world.

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  15. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    All I can say is there is more misinformation about vitamin C, than you could possibly believe. Thomas E. Levy, MD, JD in his book Primal Panacea answers all the misinformation and does it convincingly. I am choosing to give high dose vitamin C a try for myself and will post any adverse results or answer any questions about my experience. I've been doing anywhere from 10,000 to 15,000 mg per day for about 3 weeks now, and have had no adverse affects, as a matter of fact I am feeling good.
     
  16. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    The following video does a pretty good job of showing how high dose vitamin C works in regards to fighting cancer. It's a bit long about 45 min. but if you know someone with cancer that you care about it's worth it.

    Again if this video made sense to you and you want more extensive information about how high dose vitamin C works to promote your health against all types of disease please read Thomas E. Levy, MD, JD his book Primal Panacea.

    How Vitamin C Fights Cancer
     
  17. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    Well, there is always that 15% placebo effect, even if you know it is a placebo.

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    The data suggests that balance is a very important part of diet and that extremes should be avoided unless a medical professional has made a formal prescription for a specific patient - like a deficiency due to hereditary factors.

    It takes a while for the loss of bone and tooth calcium to become obvious. The bones don't show without an MRI or x - ray and the teeth just get loose after a while. If you aren't real aware of your' teeth's motility on an ongoing basis you won't notice the increase right away. When you do, it is too late to address the issue.

    Gratefully, I quickly get mouth sores and chronic indigestion if I consume too much ascorbic acid so I make a practice of watching that. I very much enjoy citrus fruit and juice so that has been an occasional issue for me in the past. I adjusted my diet to acknowledge that many years ago and it is no longer a problem as long as I don't overdo it with the citrus.

    Common sense and scientific experience both should inform us that there is no single 'magic bullet' food or dietary supplement that can cure or prevent a whole set of various diseases lumped together under a common handle, like "cancer". Some cancers are caused by viruses like HPV, others by chemicals like those in tobacco smoke, and others by radiation like repeated sunburns. Does it really make sense that diseases caused by various and diverse biological challenges could all be successfully treated and cured with the same vitamin?

    Doesn't it make sense that if this was so, by now the news would be plastered all over the media and we would all be very clear what to do to cure cancer? :shrug:
     
  18. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Did you watch the video (all of it?). Also, the book answers your questions very convincingly. I'm not asking anybody to take my word for anything except to do the same research that I have and then make up your own mind.

    Every human health problem and disease creates oxidative stress in the body. Vitamin C protects and repairs all cell damage due to oxidative stress. In the case of cancer if you are being treated with chemo and radiation, you are creating a great deal of oxidative stress to the whole body and not just the cancer. So it stands to reason that fixing the oxidative stress problems to the rest of the body will only improve your chances and mitigate how bad your going to feel. (It only fixes oxidative stress to normal cells and not the cancer cells).

    As far as losing bone mass, while taking high dose Vitamin C. I haven't seen any documented proof of that anywhere and don't believe it's a valid concern.
     
  19. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Taking calcium to help with the teeth is what I'd end up doing. But I have heard from a doctor. That protein is needed to help the body after major surgery. An right after a broken bone. I apologize. I will try to back that with a little research later.
     
  20. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Here is my research to back up both the doctors claims an mine.
    When we eat foods that contain protein, the body breaks it down into amino acids. These amino acids are necessary for building muscle and blood. There are 22 amino acids, which are divided into two categories, including essential amino acids and non-essential amino acids. The body can make some of the essential acids on it’s own, but certain amino acids must come from eating foods containing protein.
    here are many health benefits of protein. Eating enough protein is essential to maintain a healthy body. If the body sustains an injury, such as a cut, protein helps with tissue repair. Along with carbohydrates, protein provides energy for the body which helps keep us from becoming fatigued. Another one of the benefits of protein is helping the body fight off illness and disease and keeping the immune system functioning properly.
    The muscles in our bodies are partly made up of protein. One of the benefits of protein is maintaining healthy muscles. Protein also helps build skin, hair, nails and cartilage. Because the body does not store protein, it’s important to eat healthy protein everyday.

    Proteins are considered incomplete or complete proteins. Complete proteins contain all the essential amino acids, while incomplete proteins don’t. Good sources of complete proteins come from animals. For instance, eggs, milk, chicken and fish all contain complete proteins. Healthy food choices for incomplete proteins include, nuts, such as almonds, beans and whole grains.

    To get the proper health benefits of protein, most people need about 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight each day. When additional demands are made on the body, such as in pregnancy or while recovering from an injury, more protein is needed to help the body. Children and teenagers also need additional protein to help with growth.

    Without protein, the body would not be able to function properly. Various conditions could develop such as anemia and hypotension. Problems with circulation and healing from an injury would also occur. Because protein helps muscle, without it muscle mass may decrease and weakness can occur.

    Although there are benefits of protein, too much of a good thing can be bad. Eating a high protein diet can cause problems if too few carbohydrates are eaten. When high levels of protein are eaten in combination with too few carbohydrates, the body can form ketones and releases them into the blood. This causes ketosis, which may lead to fatigue and nausea and is not a healthy state for the body to be in.

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    I would like to point out the fact that a combination of incomplete proteins is proven to be just as effective as eating complete proteins. I would also like to add that incomplete proteins do not need to be combined at every meal.

    Vegetarians get plenty of protein from foods that have a limiting amino acid. There are also vegetarian options for complete proteins. Hemp and soy contain all nine of the essential amino acids that the human body cannot synthesize. Organic hemp protein powder and non-gmo soy protein powder are both worthy substitutes for animal protein.

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    The article pointed out that too much of a good thing can be bad. Use caution when on a high protein diet. Most complete proteins come with unwanted ingredients. Dairy, eggs, and red meats have large amounts of cholesterol. Some high protein foods also contain large amounts of fats, some of which are not so good for you. It is best to limit the saturated and trans fats in a high protein diet.

    It is important to make sure you are limiting high cholesterol proteins, and increasing consumption of dark and leafy vegetables. The body needs good cholesterol to go with the bad.

    If you are looking to gain muscle mass, it might be a good idea to spend a little more and buy protein powder with less cholesterol (especially if you are an older adult). Cheap whey protein powder is not as good for the body as most high quality protein powders on the market.

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    Protein seems to have a direct effect on bone mass. It is particularly important that people eating reduced calorie diet eat enough protein to maintain healthy bones.

    The best proteins are lean meats, fish and dairy products that are low in fat.
    http://m.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-health-benefits-of-protein.htm
     
  21. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    No adverse affects yet right? Great results am I correct.
     
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  22. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    No adverse effects, but it's hard to say if I'm having positive results at this time.

    I do know if your body is suffering more than normal oxidative stress it helps to have the higher blood levels of vitamin C. I also, know that your over all health depends a lot on what you do every day. I try to stay up on all current supplement studies, which tend to be a few years a head of the FDA standards.
     
  23. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    The FDA has standards?
    I still take B complex, A-Z supplement. Also the Bee Pollen.
     

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