US warships frightened by Iranian boats; War of Terror; US foreign policy, etc...

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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Thats the answer to this question:

    Q: Would an attack on them by Iran be justified?

    A: Would you blame them for not wanting an American warship off their shores?
     
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  3. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    I think the Iranian are playing with fire.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    When somebody sets a fire in your garage, a certain amount of "playing with" it is a natural response.
    The US has been threatening the sovereignity of Iran for years, publically and explicitly. Now it has moved its army to the border, stationed its warships off the coast and ports, brought and built military airfields within easy strike, abrogated its de facto alliance against the Pakistan Taliban, backed terrorist insurgency within Iran's borders, formed military and blockade alliances with other countries against Iran, and sponsored a worldwide propaganda campaign capable of justifying preemptive strike.
     
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  7. otheadp Banned Banned

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    Technically, if we ignore the pure evil that the Iranian mullocracy is, the US is being aggressive. Imagine if a super power far more superior than the US had sent a huge fleet far more superior than the US' entire fleet to sit right outside the US' territorial waters. It's an extremely aggressive move.

    So if we ignore the "why" the US is there, then Iran has every right to sent those tiny suicide-bombing speed boats to put some fear into the US navy.

    But of course, we can't ignore the "why"...
     
  8. BlueMoose Guest

    -Yes, the oil.
     
  9. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    Were you masturbating as you typed that?
     
  10. stretched a junkie's broken promise Valued Senior Member

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    He he. Hype and propoganda. You can make folk believe ANYTHING!
     
  11. otheadp Banned Banned

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    Well, that's a pretty simplistic way of putting it, but yes, it's about oil. Now, could you explain to me what's wrong with that?
     
  12. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Ok we can see you certianly are an intellectual and emotionally well balanced.
     
  13. BlueMoose Guest

    -Why I own you any explanation ? Specially when you agree ?
    -Where I said there is something wrong about it ?
    -Lets put it this way, no oil, no functional "western" society.
    -Money rules, rest is theatre for the masses.
     
  14. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    What's your point? Do you think the mighty US warships are protected by Star Trek shields and so are invulnerable to attack? As Buffalo pointed out, if a small craft can get close enough, it can easily do major damage to a warship.

    So letting a potentially hostile speedboat get too close is stupid. There was nothing cowardly about the event you describe.

    Just another example of your obsessive hatred of the US.
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    We now have to explain to Americans why attacking someone with an army in order to get control of their resources is wrong.

    So all a US citizen has to do is turn off their TV, and the US immediately will be seen to be very aggressive here ?

    I doubt it's that easy to cut through the fog.
     
  16. G. F. Schleebenhorst England != UK Registered Senior Member

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    Thank you for that COMPLETE NONSENSE.

    I think the degree of patriotism in an american must be inversely proportional to its IQ.
     
  17. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    You are so smart Schleebenhorst, I am glad you agree with my comment that you are intellectual and emotionally well balanced, was complete nonsense!

    My country is not always right, and it is not always wrong. When it is right I say so. When it is wrong I say so. If you cannot deal with that, you have some serious emotional problems and maybe a vist to a shrink would be helpful.
     
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  18. sandy Banned Banned

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    Feds are calling this the most serious threat from Iran in years. The POS Iranians verbally threatened the USA ships with explosions!

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    An Iranian fleet of high-speed boats charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship U.S. Navy convoy passing near Iranian waters, then vanished as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire. The Iranian actions amounted to a dangerous provocation.
    The three U.S. warships were headed into the Persian Gulf through the Straits of Hormuz on what the U.S. Navy called a routine passage inside international waters when they were approached by five small high-speed vessels believed to be from Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy.

    The Iranians "maneuvered aggressively" in the direction of the U.S. ships. The U.S. ship commanders took a series of steps toward firing on the boats, which approached to within 500 yards, but the Iranians suddenly fled back toward their shore.

    At one point the U.S. ships received a threatening radio call from the Iranians, "to the effect that they were closing (on) our ships and that the ships would explode — the U.S. ships would explode."

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    "Subsequently, two of these boats were observed dropping objects in the water, generally in the path of the final ship in the formation, the USS Ingraham," he added. "These objects were white, box-like objects that floated. And, obviously, the ship passed by them safely."

    The boxes were not retrieved, so U.S. officials do not know whether they posed an actual threat. Cosgriff the U.S. ship commanders were moving through a standard series of actions — including radio calls to the Iranians that went unheeded — but did not reach the point of firing warning shots.

    "We take this deadly seriously," Cosgriff told a Pentagon news conference via video link from Bahrain.

    He recalled the October 2000 terrorist attack on a U.S. warship, the USS Cole, in Yemen's Aden harbor by a small boat laden with explosives; 17 sailors died in that attack, which nearly sank the Cole.

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates, speaking aboard the USS New Orleans pierside in San Diego, told reporters on Monday "it would be nice to see the Iranian government disavow this action and say that it won't happen again."

    Gates said there had been two or three similar incidents — "maybe not quite as dramatic" — over the past year. He offered no details, but one Navy official said there have been several similar incidents that involved "aggressive maneuvering" by small boats in the Gulf. In one instance, a U.S. Navy vessel fired warning shots across the bow of the small boat, said the official, who requested anonymity because details of the earlier encounters have not been made public.

    At the State Department, spokesman Sean McCormack said the United States would "confront" hostile Iranian actions against U.S. interests and those of its allies in the region and called on Iran to halt "any provocative actions."

    "We are going to confront Iran's behavior where it threatens us, where it threatens our allies, where it threatens the integrity of the international systems that have been set up to facilitate international commerce and finance," McCormack told reporters.

    Historical tensions between the United States and Iran have grown in recent years becauseTehran has been secretly developing nuclear weapons and supplying and training Iraqi insurgents using roadside bombs — the No. 1 killer of U.S. troops in Iraq.

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  19. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    The problem is that Iran and the US define the borders of Iran, and the area of it's waters differently. Some places the US considers international waters, Iran considers it's own territory.
     
  20. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I guess they chickened out or got smart all of a sudden.
     
  21. oreodont I am God Registered Senior Member

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    wow! that justifies US provocation?

    So it's okay if a street gang, druggies and prostitutes stand on the 'public' sidewalk outside of your house? It's 'their' right so just shut your mouth and accept it? ... and this after they've torched the two houses on either side of you?

    The Iranian regime is a fascist theocracy BUT it's the that USA that looks stupid to the world. Americans still don't understand that they are getting creamed by the fundy whackos where it counts....on the Muslim streets where over a billion muslims live and are going to have 2 billion muslim babies.

    Get the heck out of the Middle East. It's not your business. Fundy whackos, generals, kings and thugs will all sell you their oil. Stop giving them a reason to hate you.
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    If an Iranian warship was in waters the US considers its own, but Iran does not, and it got hit, who would you hold responsible?

    They felt harassed! Their effing warships are all over the effing place and THEY are the ones who feel harassed?

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  23. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't say that, please try to think critically. In this case, the American ships were in international waters, protecting a popular route for cargo ships, particularly oil tankers. There was no provocation.
     
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