There was a part of the debate I can't seem to dig out where he said Clinton was making up a word or a description . He said something like "who said that ? I haven't heard that before" I think it might have been a Clinton neologism . Do you remember that? It came across as a bit paranoid and confused.
A "Clinton neologism"? Well, you can always check the transcript↱. There is the exchange about Alicia Machado: CLINTON: And one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. He loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them. And he called this woman "Miss Piggy." Then he called her "Miss Housekeeping," because she was Latina. Donald, she has a name. TRUMP: Where did you find this? Where did you find this? CLINTON: Her name is Alicia Machado. TRUMP: Where did you find this? CLINTON: And she has become a U.S. citizen, and you can bet... TRUMP: Oh, really? CLINTON: ... she's going to vote this November. TRUMP: OK, good. Let me just tell you... (APPLAUSE) That's the nearest I can find.
Cousin sent a dirty joke on a group discussion about Halloween costumes? Hen party back and forth about someone's youngest daughter's first period? Just to cover a point again↑: Not quite random question: I don't know how you or anyone else personally uses email, but if you weren't, say, using SMS, would it be possible to rack up twenty-two personal emails a day on your account? I mean, how many people remember using email like that, anyway? I wonder how many people set the colors how many layers deep on their client's quote function? And so on. Oh, right. I said question. So much for that. But, yeah, between sent and received, group messages, and running discussions, how much would be going on in my life that I could accrue twenty-two email messages a day between sent and received? It's actually not an extraordinary number. If I actually insisted on using email like I did when I actually had a BlackBerry, yeah, all I would have to do is, you know, have a life.
No ,that wasn't it .I have found it now It sounds more anodyne at the second time of listening to it . I still don't know why he says "Who gave it that name ?" but it doesn't sound so paranoid /confused as I thought the first time around. Here it is: HILLARY CLINTON I happen to support that in a way that will actually work to our benefit. But when I look at what you have proposed, you have what is called now the Trump loophole because it would so advantage you and the business you do. You’ve proposed DONALD TRUMP Who gave it that name? LESTER HOLT Sir, this is Secretary Clinton’s two minutes. On youtube it is just under 26 minutes in: At first hearing I thought it must have been the first time he had heard the description but that seems hardly feasible.....Clinton has been talking about it for a while. Does he not follow her speeches?
I should at least thank you for following up, because you're right in the sense of a Clinton neologism. On the point of "Trump loophole", though, yeah, it's kind of inevitable. I think the thing is that Trump chuffed so much during the debate that all of the occasions bleed over onto one another. There's even this weird bit going on with liberal-leaning press commentary using the wrong Clinton quote in a way that actually softens Trump's line about his taxes. It's almost like Trump really did achieve the rumored threshold of so much wrong with that we can't actually identify it all. Which doesn't excuse the commentariat. Trade out the maybe line for the one in which she claims proof, and the critique against Trump's retort actually becomes both more accurate and more damaging.
It has been reported The Donald is considering dropping out of the next debate. Who knew? The Donald is also a porn star. I didn't see that coming.
I guess the RNC has ESP because they have declared the winner before the debate has even begun. They even know the best moments of the debate even though the debate hasn't yet occurred...oops! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! You gotta love it. The RNC announcement states that Pence's best moments were the "economy" and "highlighting Hilary's scandals". The debate hasn't even begun, yet the RNC knows this. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Yeah, who cares about little things like facts and reason? The Republican National Committee certainly doesn't. http://www.vox.com/2016/10/4/13168384/mike-pence-won-debate http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-...-debate-winnerbefore-debate/story?id=42570234
What's going on with Trump's nose? He's sniffling again. Is there a problem with his mic again? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Clinton launched on "fitness", and imho effectively. She goaded Trump into teeing one up for her: he said that if elected he will appoint a special prosecutor to go back and make a new big deal out of her already beaten to death emails - cuadillo unfitness on stilts, major character flaw run up the flagpole, example of trivial Trumpian priorities in life and in office. And it evaporated, whiffed: The email stuff defended, not shrugged off. The fitness issue no longer in play, she's been playing defense since (as of 20:40). So damn. - - - - - Whenever she quits playing defense and talks policy wonk stuff, she sounds good. Two or three examples so far. She's not getting rolled here. (21:00). - - - So far, she's had by my count five opportunities to run against the Republican Party, and connect it to Trump. All passed. Deliberate? (21:40+) - - - Coming to the end, the impression to be left, Trump is talking about "clean coal" now, about which he knows apparently nothing. Will Clinton whiff? - - - No, great - Clinton doesn't waste it. Policy wonk wheelhouse, for lasting impression at end. Presidential, in her way. - - - Not as bad as feared. I was honestly worried about Clinton getting blown out, prior to launch. She should hang on to her lead from this, pending Trump (or the ghost of Trumpmas past) blowing off another toe. So Trump did better this time - appealed to the Trump voter well. So the Trump voter is coming into sharper focus. And it ain't pretty.
It was a draw. But a draw leaves trump wallowing in the mud dust that he has surrounded himself with. No way will he be able to pull this out, saving some unforeseen disaster befalling Hillary's campaign...
I thought Clinton won the debate. She was composed, organized, knowledgeable, and was very personable. Whereas Trump was fidgety, nervous, and he only spoke in generalities and often avoided the question he was asked. He nervously walked around the stage. At one point early on, I thought he might do a Gore number on Hilary. He was on the attack, but he was always wrong on facts. Trump dumped so many lies, it was difficult for Clinton to refute each and every one of them and it was impossible to explain why the were lies as the moderators didn't fact check. And after previously praising his running mate's performance, Trump left Pence out in the cold on Syria. He openly disagreed with his running mate's position on Syria and Russia. And he didn't appear to care that he was leaving Pence out on a branch. So now we know for sure that there is a major policy disagreement on the Republican ticket. Trump didn't change his previous pro Russian position on Syria. And he played the victim card as he always does. Everyone is abusing The Donald. In this case, he accused the moderators of treating him unfairly. It's always the victim card with The Donald, and it has worked for him with his base. But I don't think it works well outside his base. Trump also kept interrupting everyone. That was a turn-off. He did the same thing during the first debate. And he still has the sniffles, I guess he mic problems followed him. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! The Donald has a public speaking style: 1) Domination 2) Grandiloquence 3) Simplicity 4) Dishonesty And it was all on display this evening. I think it was also obvious Trump wasn't well informed. He demonstrated little to no knowledge of subject matter. I'm sure his base loved his performance. They always do. This is the guy who has boasted he could go out on 5th Avenue and shoot people and not lose votes. That's certainly true of his base. He could shoot people and his base would still love him. I think Hilary was a clear winner. Trump's performance was better, but that's not saying much. And the lack of fact checking helped Trump. Virtually everything Trump said was false.
His constant deep sucking of breath through his nose, which was so distracting, aside, at least this time he challenged her. But he did so in a way that made him look like a bully and at times petulant. Most importantly, he utterly failed to answer the questions, went completely off the reservation and was unable to detail any of his plans about health care, for example. He also opened himself up quite badly by saying he never did any of those things he said. Does that mean that he did not pursue a reporter and try to convince her to have sex with him as he said he did? There are reports that there are even worse tapes, even more accounts of his sexual assault.. There was also the fact that he humiliated Pence by saying that Pence was wrong about how to deal with ISIS and Syria and Russia's incursion in the conflict in Syria. Pence has been saying one thing, now Trump comes out and declares Pence is wrong and says the complete opposite. Was it a draw? Maybe. But he still came off looking unhinged. She could have done more to wipe the floor with him instead of simply referring back to her website.. She did look more Presidential. He looked like he was pacing and stressed at times. He was fidgety. He kept going off on random tangents. He failed to actually speak directly to the people asking questions, where I noticed she was walking right up to them and speaking directly to them. She was more composed. He just kept whining about what he felt to be his bad treatment. I also think threatening one's political opponent/rival with jail is not a good look. He appealed to his base and of course, they will flock to him, as they continued to do so even after the tapes were released. She was appealing directly to the undecided and his behaviour, was, quite frankly, erratic and boorish. He started yelling at the moderators, he kept interrupting her (despite screaming about how he respects people), he didn't say anything new. He didn't explain the 'how's' of his plans. As I said, some could consider it a draw, but I don't think he did enough to drag himself out of the mud.
57% to 34% per the CNN poll in Hillary's favor - respondents Democratically skewed but still. My heart is warmed. It may be premature but...
I agree. While his base still loves him, he's got a problem within his party, and he still has a big problem with women. Those problems aren't going away. Trump cannot win with just his base. I don't think the debate this evening helps Trump, and he needs help. But there isn't enough time, even if Trump could change.
Remember when all the groping came out during Arnold Schwarzenegger's political tenure? Doonesbury adopted a giant hand for a cartoon avatar. Das Gropenfuhrer. Oh well - he's got himself up around 43, 45%. Maybe that's his ceiling, finally - the level at which the media writes him off, draws the line. The non-Fox media take is that the next 48 hours are going to be bad ones, for him - maybe they'll be right, finally, the hour of the stopped clock coming around at last. Three weeks to go - three more toes. Cross your fingers.
Yeah... But I think he's already shot off the two big toes - and eaten them whole. So he's limping a bit at this point... Once again - "Dancin' in the Streets". Barring some catastrophe, there is simply not enough time left. I can't wait to see the big "L" pasted on the Donald's forehead. Then comes the day of reckoning for his supporters...
The day of reckoning for the people who actually brought us Donald Trump, the people who played with that fire until they set the house alight, will not be televised. Let's hope it isn't a day of reckoning for everybody else, instead. Last poll I saw - and this latest debate seems unlikely to move that - he was still getting a majority of the white male vote. The implications of that are sobering. To win, his minimum goal is to get three States - Ohio, Florida, and North Carolina - close enough to flip via voter suppression and voting machine manipulation and the like. It says here that if he can hold onto his remaining toes for the next three weeks, he can do that.
When that day comes The Donald will be deny it, and he'll blame others. It will be the "establishment's fault" and the system was rigged. The Donald will never admit he failed. It's not his way. That's not what narcissistic personality disordered people do. He will play the victim card as is his custom. Trump has lost 2 out of 2 debates. His campaign is in a state of chaos. Republicans are jumping the Trump Train. His Russian sponsor has released his "dirt" on Hilary to no effect. Trump seemed to admit he hasn't paid income taxes over the last 20 years. That means, the Donald isn't earning as much money as he claims to have earned which makes sense when you look at all of business failures over the course of the last 2 decades. Another disturbing moment was when Trump stated he would use his office to prosecute Clinton. That's not how our government is suppose to work. While it appeals to Trump's base, it's a new low in American politics. The United States isn't a banana republic. That's not how things work in the US. Much to the chagrin of Republicans, we don't use government to harass our political opponents as Trump very publicly threatened to do. That should be disturbing to everyone. But with Trump's followers it's a good thing, as long as the harassed people aren't Republican. Trump is an embarrassment. The Republican Party is an embarrassment. How will Ryan, Pence, and other Republican leaders react to Trump's performance this evening? Trump wasn't contrite. After unsuccessfully attempting to evade the question, in direct contradiction to his taped "locker room talk", Trump denied assaulting women. I expect in the coming weeks we will see a number of Trump's victims come forward and attest to being assaulted by The Donald. So inadvertently, Trump has dug a deeper hole for himself. I don't think that fact is lost on Ryan, Pence, and other Republican leaders. I think they are smarter than that. But maybe I'm giving them too much credit. We will soon see. Here in Kansas where Republicans outnumber Democrats by 5 to 1 in our legislature, Republicans were very happy with Trump's performance. But, they were thrilled with Trump's last debate performance too. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! They subscribe to the belief that Republicans always win, regardless of fact and reason.
