# Time Travel

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by JimmyJames, Jun 6, 2001.

1. ### StryderKeeper of "good" ideas.Valued Senior Member

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Crisp, I wasn't working to the assumption of a vaccum because most of the time people are on about using space.

Of course if we are going to mention corrections then I might mention your previous postings reply to:

"Try this : if i travel away from a clock at the speed of light, the hands will have appeared to have stayed still (relativity right). But if i do this for say, 1 year straight, am i not 1 year older ? have events elsewhere not progressed by 1 year ?"

Missed an error in his logic, if he travelled for 1 year at light speed he would be 1 light year away from the clock making it pretty hard to see it, but also meaning that he would also have to travel back to that clock, So his return journey would be another year. Which would totally alter the progressive answer.

Anyway back to my understanding and possible incorrect termonlogy.

You think a wave's speed isn't changed when it's stretched, but in a way it has, after all it reaches it's destination faster than it's original unstretched version.

I mentioned matrices to explain the intersecting of light frequencies to create what we see as a broadband visual interpretation of the physical world, and the frequencies the broadband have in common. (A kind of unified frame rate, where each frequency merges together with their differing frame rates and every so often they all fit at the same time)

As for electron's not sling shotting, My explaination was admittedly for such things as wormholes and "Startrek type transporter theories", Take for instance 0 to lightspeed in 0.1 seconds, is going to make your electrons dispondant to the bonds that usually define their nature.

As for Wavefunctions, perhaps I just misquoted the termonology, but that doesn't undermine my statement of energy deciding which parallel to exist within, Is preportion of the whole Schrodinger's Cat issue (That's why the cat is both dead and alive while within the Many worlds interpretation, but either dead or alive within the parallels. Of course schrodingers original was using Gas, but I think when tests on the hypothetical experiment were carried out (Wigners Assistant) they found no need for gas.

After all a wigner's assistant will either walk out of the experiment or be bagged and tagged.

3. ### CrispGone 4everRegistered Senior Member

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Hi Stryderunknown,

"Crisp, I wasn't working to the assumption of a vacuum because most of the time people are on about using space."

Space = part of the universe devoid of any matter = vacuum.

"Missed an error in his logic, if he travelled for 1 year at light speed he would be 1 light year away from the clock making it pretty hard to see it, but also meaning that he would also have to travel back to that clock, So his return journey would be another year. Which would totally alter the progressive answer."

The whole discussion is about thought experiments, and in these issues like "will he be able to see the clock" are usually not addressed; we assume that he has some way of making sense of the few lightwaves emitted by the clock that reach the point at 1 lightyear distance. Instead of a clock we can also take a rotating galaxy, these are visible at larger distances.

"You think a wave's speed isn't changed when it's stretched, but in a way it has, after all it reaches it's destination faster than it's original unstretched version."

No it won't, the speed at which the wave propagates is unaltered. The stretching of the wave is not instantaneous either: you have to imagine that the front end of the wave moves up and down with a speed determined by its frequency, and moves forward at lightspeed. When the frequency changes (= the wave stretches or compresses) that front end simply moves up and down faster or slower, but it will still move forward at the same speed. The easiest is to take a piece of paper and perform the experiment yourself: move your hard from left to right on the paper at the same speed, and change the rate of moving the pen up- and downward. Then you'll see that the wave you draw gains the compression/stretching effect without getting to its destination faster.

"Take for instance 0 to lightspeed in 0.1 seconds, is going to make your electrons dispondant to the bonds that usually define their nature."

Ions ( = atoms with one or more electrons removed) have been accelerated in particle accelerators, to 99,99999999999% lightspeed without any electrons suddenly lagging behind. The classical "hey if I push hard enough the thing will break down" is no longer valid in the quantumworld.

"As for Wavefunctions, perhaps I just misquoted the termonology, but that doesn't undermine my statement of energy deciding which parallel to exist within."

It doesn't. It's a matter of taste whether you tend to believe the many worlds interpretation of quantummechanics or the more conventional Copenhagen interpretation.

Bye!

Crisp

5. ### BebelinaFeminazi MessiahValued Senior Member

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Well....

You really have put some effort here to try to explain the physics....which I know NOTHING about. And reading it all just makes no sense to me....

But anyway, here´s what I think:

That when you travel in time, you automatically enter another dimension and can never come back to exactly the same one, because when you go back, you must go to a dimension where the time travel took place, bacause you cannot erase the event from your memory.

But one thing I have yet not been able to figure out and that is whether you become the future/past self you meet or see it as a different person from yourself, any ideas?

I think that you see yourself as another person, that makes more sense...

7. ### StryderKeeper of "good" ideas.Valued Senior Member

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I'll try and make this simple so everybody can understand, my reasoning for why I percieve time travel as improbible.

Image you step through a gateway to a wormhole and suddenly all your matter is shift through time and space out of another gateway (Some will probably be thinking of "Stargate").

Every atom and molecule in your body on that journey is pulled apart, so you lose all structure, This is going to be painful in that instance of travel and will probably seem like you've burnt in a raging fire from the world you just left.

On arrival your going to feel the pain of all your atoms and molecules re-materialising, as their energy is going to be greatly increased in output, you might even suffer radiation burns caused by your own molecules.

The likelihood of surviving such a jump is very slim... I mean non existant.

Of course there could be methods of trying to combat that from occuring, like for instance. You would have to have no concious thoughts while you were travelling, namely you would have to be dead already. The likelihood here is FROZEN with Cryogenics, and hopefully your frozen state should protect you from burning up.

As for the radiation, well your body might have to have been subjected to some form of chemical that could stop that radiation from cooking you to a crisp.

As well as there is the entire point that any disturbance within that wormhole could make your atoms and molecules appear in different time frames, so you cease to exist.

Hope that doesn't scare anyone too much

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Well, well, you can argue many points of perception, but you can only limit what is to an extent, and this one "is" just so that you cannot logicly debate in argument of factual science that will revolutionize old dogmatic views of suppression of the truthe pertaining to the quantum multiverse theories.
"Here We Go" ...........

Atom Experiment Brings Teleportation Closer to Reality
Reuters

LONDON (Sept. 26) - Physicists in Denmark have made two samples of trillions of atoms interact at a distance in an experiment which may bring Star Trek-style teleportation and rapid quantum computing closer to reality.

Eugene Polzik and his colleagues at the University of Aarhus are not about to beam anyone up to the Starship Enterprise, but their research reported in the science journal Nature on Wednesday makes the idea of instantly transporting an object from one place to another less far fetched.

It involves quantum entanglement -- a mysterious concept of entwining two or more particles without physical contact. Albert Einstein once described it as ''spooky action at a distance.''

Entangled states are needed for quantum computing and teleportation. Scientists have entangled states of a few atoms in earlier experiments but Polzik and his team have done it with very large numbers and using laser light.

''It is the first result where two macroscopic material objects have been entangled,'' Polzik explained in a telephone interview.

''We have produced entanglement at a distance which means you and me can share entangled objects which is important for quantum communication, including quantum teleportation.''

In 1998 what has been described as the first teleportation experiment was done when scientists at the California Institute of Technology teleported a beam of light across a laboratory bench.

Ignacio Cirac, a physicist at the University of Innsbruck in Austria said achievement of Polzik and his team could lead to real-life quantum communication systems, teleportation and quantum computers.

''This is the first time two different atomic samples have been entangled in this way -- using light -- even though the samples are separated by some distance,'' he said in a commentary in Nature.

Cirac believes further experiments will follow which could ''revolutionize the field of quantum information.''

Reuters 14:56 09-26-01

Quantum entanglement: Going large

Particles small enough for their behaviour to be governed by the laws of quantum mechanics can exhibit a remarkable property known as entanglement. A pair of quantum particles can exist in entangled 'superposition', a mixture of states that resolves only when some physical property such as spin or polarization is measured. Quantum entanglement is a fundamental requirement for quantum computing, but until now it has been possible only to generate entanglement between microscopic particles. Using a new method of generating entanglement, an entangled state involving two macroscopic objects, each consisting of a caesium gas sample containing about 1012 atoms, has now been created. The entangled spin state can survive for 0.5 milliseconds, a long time in this context, bringing practical applications of quantum memory and quantum teleportation a little closer.

Experimental long-lived entanglement of two macroscopic objects
BRIAN JULSGAARD, ALEXANDER KOZHEKIN & EUGENE S. POLZIK
Nature 413, 400-403 (27 September 2001)

Quantum physics: Entangled atomic samples
J. IGNACIO CIRAC
Quantum mechanics has potential applications in communication and computation. But first a quantum connection — known as entanglement — has to be created between bigger and bigger objects.
Nature 413, 375-377 (27 September 2001)

Trillion-atom triumph

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And as for your different perspectives of "Waves" pertaining to charachtaristic behavior, there seems to be somthing you must have overlooked?
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The Tesla Howitzer - by Tom Bearden
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Before the turn of the century, Nikola Tesla had discovered and was utilizing a new type of electric wave. Tesla repeatedly stated his waves were non-Hertzian, and his wireless transmissions did not fall off as the square of the distance. His discovery was apparently so fundamental (and his intent to provide free energy to all humankind was so clear) that it was responsible for the withdrawal of his financial backing, his deliberate isolation, and the gradual removal of his name from the history books. By 1914 or so, Tesla had been successfully isolated and was already nearly a "nonperson." Thereafter Tesla lived in nearly total seclusion, occasionally surfacing (at his annual birthday party for members of the press) to announce the discovery of an enormous new source of free energy, the perfection of wireless transmission of energy without losses, fireball weapons to destroy whole armies and thousands of airplanes at hundreds of miles distance, and a weapon (the "Tesla Shield," I've dubbed it) that could provide an impenetrable defense and thus render war obsolete. In my pursuit of Tesla's secret, it gradually became apparent to me that present orthodox electromagnetic theory is seriously flawed in some fundamental respects. One of these is in the definition and use of THETA, the scalar electrostatic potential. It is this error which has hidden the long-sought Unified Field Theory from the theorists. In the theory of the scalar electrostatic potential (SEP), the idea is introduced of work accomplished on a charge brought in from a distance against the scalar field. The SEP is not a vector field, but is a scalar field. Indeed, scalar potential cannot of itself perform work on a charged mass due to the extremely high SEP of the vacuum itself. Only a differential of SEP between two spatial points can produce force or accomplish work. (Rigorously, a differential of scalar potential between two spatial points constitutes a vector. Only a vector can produce force and do work.) Also, work can only be done on a mass. Further, it takes TIME to move an electron or other charged mass between two spatial points, and so the work performed by a spatial differential of the THETA- Page 1 FIELD requires TIME. Rigorously, the delta SEP is voltage, not SEP per se, and is directly related to the voltage or "E" field. The entire voltage concept depends on the work performed in moving a mass, after that mass has moved. The idea of "voltage" always implies the existence of a steady differential of THETA between two spatial points for a finite length of time, and it also involves the assumption of a flow of actual mass having occurred. SEP, on the one hand, is always a single-point function; on the other hand, difference in potential (i.e., V) is always a two point function, as is any vector. Yet many graduate level physics and electromagnetics papers and texts erroneously confuse THETA and V in the static case! Such an interpretation is of course quite incorrect. Another common assumption in present EM theory -- that the electrostatic potential (0,O) of the normal vacuum is zero --has no legitimate basis. In fact, we know (0,O) is nonzero because the vacuum is filled with enormous amounts of fluctuating virtual state activity, including incredible charge fluctuations. And by virtue of its point definition, (0,O) must be the "instantaneous stress" on spacetime itself, and a measure of the intensity of the virtual state flux th_ough a 4-dimensional spacetime point. Potential theory was largely developed in the 1800's before the theory of relativity. Time flowrate was then regarded as immutable. Accordingly, electrostatic "intensity" was chosen as "spatial intensity," with the connotation of "spatial flux density." This assumes a constant, immutable rate of flow of time, which need not be true at all if we believe relativity. Such a spatial "point" intensity is actually a "line" in 4-space, and not a 4-dimensional "point" at all. Thus the spatial potential -- 0, 3 -- is a very special case of the real spacetime potential -- 0,4, or charge -- and electromagnetic theory today is accordingly a special case of the real 4-space electromagnetism that actually exists! Note also that charge is a 4-dimensional concept. Now mass is a spatial, 3-dimensional concept. Rigorously, mass does not exist in time -- masstime exists in time. Mass and charge are thus of differing dimensionalities! Also, according to quantum mechanics, the charge of a particle -- e.g., of an electron -- is due to the continual flux of virtual particles given off and absorbed by the observable particle of mass. Thus charge also is conceptually a measure of the virtual flux density, and directly related to THETA. Further, since the charge exists in time, it is the charge of a particle of spatial mass that gives it the property of masstime, or existing in time. Here a great confusion and fundamental error has been thrown into the present EM theory by the equating of "charge" and "charged mass." As we have seen, the two things are really very different indeed. Page 2 To speak of a spatial "amount" of charge erroneously_limitsüthe basic EM theory to a fixed time flowrate condition (which of course it was considered to be, prior to Einstein's development of relativity). Thus when the limited present theory encounters a "relativistic" case (where the time flowrate changes), all sorts of extraordinary corrections must be introduced. The real problem, of course, is with the fundamental definitions of electrostatic potential and charge. The spatial "amount" of charge (i.e., the coulomb), as we presently erroneously use the term, is actually the spatial amount of observable "charged mass." To correct the theory, one must introduce the true 4-space SEP and separate the definitions of charge and charged mass. Only when a mass is moved does one have work -- and voltage or vector fields. (The reason one has voltage and E field connected to a normal electrostatically charged object in the laboratory is because an excess of charged-particle masses are assembled on the object, and these masses are in violent motion! A true static charge would have no E field at all.) The THETA field need not involve observable mass accumulation, but only charge (virtual flowrate intensity) accumulation. Accumulated masses are like so many gallons of water; accumulated charge is like so much pressure on both the water (space) and the time in which the water is existing. Now, if one varies the SEP solely as a point function, one would have a purely scalar complex longitudinal wave, and not a vector wave at all. This is the fundamentally new electrical wave that Tesla discovered in 1899. Rigorously, all vector fields are two-point functions and thus decomposable into two scalar fields, as Whittaker showed in 1903. It follows that any vector wave can be decomposed into two scalar waves. By implication, therefore, a normal transverse EM vector wave, e.g., must simply be two coupled scalar (Tesla) waves -- and these scalars independently would be longitudinal if uncoupled. An ordinary transverse EM vector wave is thus two pair-coupled Tesla scalar longitudinal waves, and only a single special case of the much more fundamental electromagnetics discovered by Nikola Tesla. A Tesla (scalar potential) wave -- i.e., a massless wave in pure 0,O, the stress of the spacetime medium -- would have very strange characteristics indeed. For one thing, since it moves in a complex 4-space, it has many more modes of movement than does a simple wave in 3-space. And for another thing, it need not be bound at all by the speed of (vector) light. In current theory, one 0,3-field does not directly interact or couple with other existing 0,3-fields except by simple superposition. Page 3 Therefore presently the THETA-field is considered to have no drag limitation at all, hence infinite velocity. (E.g., as stated in Jackson's, (Classical Electrodynamics, 2nd edition, page 223.) Actually, a 0,4-wave can and will interact with some of the other existing 0,4- waves in the medium transversed, and this interaction can involve pair- coupling into EM vector fields and waves, an interaction not presently in the electrodynamics theory. The result of scalar pair-coupling creates a finite amount of vector "drag" on the 0,4-wave, so it then has less than infinite velocity. However, if this drag is small due to limited pair coupling, the scalar wave's velocity through the slightly dragging medium still may be far greater than the speed of vector EM waves (light) in vacuum. On the other hand, if the pair-coupling is made severe, the THETA- wave may move at a speed considerably below the speed of vector light waves in vacuum. The velocity of the 0,4-wave is thus both variable and controllable or adjustable (e.g., simply by varying its initial amplitude which through a given medium changes the percentage of pair-coupling and hence the degree of drag on the scalar wave.) The Tesla scalar wave thus can have either subluminal or superluminal velocity, in contradiction to present theory. Note that the scalar wave also violates one of Einstein's fundamental postulates -- for the speed of our "new kind of light" wave is not limited to c, and need not be the same to every observer. Thus Tesla scalar waves lead to a new "super-relativity" of which the present Einstein relativity is only a highly special case! But let us now look for some subtle but real examples of scalar waves and scalar pair-coupling in nature. As is well known, a tectonic fault zone can provide anomalous lights, sounds, etc from stresses, piezoelectrical activity, and telluric currents in the earth and through the fault zone. In examining the fault zone phenomena, I finally realized that a fault zone was literally a scalar interferometer -- i.e., if one can have scalar PHI-waves, they can interfere either constructively or destructively. Their interference, however, produces scalar pair-coupling into vector EM waves. This coupling may be at a distance from the interferometer itself, and thus the interferometer can produce energy directly at a distance, without vector transmission through the intervening space. Coupling of THETA waves with the paired scalars comprising ordinary EM vector waves can also occur. If this triplex coupling forms additional EM vector waves 180 degrees out of phase, the ordinary EM wave is diminished or extinguished. Page 4 If the scalar triplex coupling occurs so as to create vector EM waves, the amplitude of the ordinary vector wave is increased. Scalar potential waves can thus augment or diminish, or create or destroy, ordinary EM waves at a distance by pair-coupling interference under appropriate conditions, and this is in consonance with the implications of Whittaker's fundamental 1903 work. An earthquake fault zone is such a scalar interferometer. Stresses and charge pileups exist in the plates on each side adjacent to the fault, with stress relief existing in the middle in the fault fracture itself. Since the rock is locally nonlinear, the mechanical stresses and electrical currents in it are also locally nonlinear. This results in the generation of multiple frequencies of THETA-4-waves from each side of the fault interferometer, yielding two complex Fourier expansion patterns of scalar potential waves. On occasion these two Fourier-transformed scalar wave patterns couple at a distance to produce stable ordinary electromagnetic fields in a 3-dimensional spatial pattern --e.g., a stress light such as the Vestigia light covered in Part I of The Excalibur Briefing. Driven by the erratic tÿo scalar Fourier_ expansion patterns of the scalar interferometer (whose input stresses normally slowly change), an erratic, darting, hovering "spooklight" of the variety studied by Vestigia produced. As the stresses change in each side of the interferometer, the distant scalar coupling zone is affected. Thus the stresslight moves and its form changes, but it may be relatively stable in form for seconds or minutes. Since the stresses in the rock may be intense, the stress light may involve an intense pair or THETA-patterns coupling into the sphere or ball of vector EM energy. The atoms and molecules of the air in the region of the coupled stresslight ball thus become highly excited, giving off radiant energy as the excited states decay. Since much of the piezoelectric material in the stressed rocks is quartz, the features of quartz are of particular interest. Each little quartz is itself highly stressed, and has stress cracks. It is therefore a little scalar interferometer. Further, quartz is transparent to infrared and ultraviolet; and the random orientation of all the quartz scalar interferometers may also form a Prigogine system far from thermodynamic equilibrium. If so, this system can tap into highly energetic microscopic electromagnetic fluctuations to produce large-scale, ordered, relatively stable patterns of electromagnetic energy at a distance. In short, all of this lends support to the formation of relatively stable but somewhat erratic patterns of electromagnetic energy at a distance from the fault itself. Page 5 In the atmosphere, such scalar interferometers could form in clouds or even in the air or between clouds and earth. If so, such rare but occasional "weather" scalar interferometers could account for the rare phenomenon of ball lightening. The intense energy of the ball lightening, as compared to the lesser energy of an earth stress light, could well be due to the enormous electrical charges between clouds or between cloud and earth, available to fuel the scalar interferometer. Very probably it is this phenomenon which gave Tesla the clue to scalar wave interferometry. Thus such phenomena as earth stress lights, ball lightening, and the Tesla system of wireless transmission of energy at a distance with negligible lasses and at speeds exceeding the speed of light may be explained. They are complex, however, and involve fundamental changes to present electromagnetic theory. These changes include utilizing 4-space scalar electrostatic potentials, scalar waves, pair coupling, ordinary 3-dimensional Fourier expansion, the Prigogine effect, and the properties of piezoelectric materials in rocks. Since the scalar potential also stresses time, it can change the rate of flow of time itself. Thus it affects anything which exists in time -- including the mind, both of the individual and at various levels of unconsciousness. Therefore the same functions that result in earth stress lights also affect mind and thought, and are in turn affected by mind and thought. This is the missing ingredient in Persinger's theory that UFO's are correlated with, and a result of, fault zones and earth stresses. While Persinger seems to feel this is a "normal physics" explanation, it indeed involves a paranormal explanation. The time-stressing ability of the true THETA scalar wave also explains the interaction of such earth stress lights with humans and human intent, as noted by other researchers. (E.g., the lights that repeatedly seemed to react to the observers, as detailed by Dr. Harley Rutledge in his epoch-making Project Identification, Prentice-Hall, 1981.) These ideas in condensed form comprise the concepts required to violate the speed of light and produce an ordinary electromagnetic field at a distance, using scalar interferometry, without losses -- as Tesla had done in his wireless transmission system which he had tested prior to 1900 and had perfected by the 1930's. Scalar interferometry can give stable regions of EM or "light energy" at a distance without losses, particularly as detailed in the beautiful Vestigia experiments, and it is within our grasp to utilize the new effects. Indeed, any stress crack in a material can result in the scalar potential interferometer effect. Exophoton and exoelectron emission -- poorly understood but already known in fatiguing of materials -- must be at least partly due to the scalar interferometer effect. Page 6 However, one additional caution should be advanced. Normal movement of electrons allows so much "sideplay" movement of the electrons -- and there is so much such sideplay electron motion in the surrounding vicinity -- that pair coupling is almost instantaneous for small waves. Thus orbital electrons in atoms seem to absorb and emit vector EM photons. Actually they also emit some percentage of scalar waves as well. Since a scalar wave is comprised exclusively of disturbance in the virtual state, it need not obey the conservation of energy law. Further, a scalar wave of itself does not "push electrons" or other charges; hence it is nearly indetectable by present detectors. Ionization detectors such as a Geiger counter tube, e.g., are exceptions if the scalar wave encountered is fairly strong. In that case sufficient triplex coupling with the ionized gas occurs to produce additional ionization or charge, breaching the tube's cutoff threshold and producing a cascade discharge of electrons and voltage which is detected. But weak scalar waves are presently indetectable by ordinary instruments. However, these small scalar waves are detectable by sensitive interferometry techniques -- e.g., such as an electron interferometer. Since the use of such instruments is quite rare, then indeed we have been living immersed in a sea of scalar waves without knowing it. Finally, the percentage of scalar waves produced by changes in charged mass pileups can be increased by utilizing charged mass streaming. Essentially the charged masses must be moved suddenly, as quickly as possible, at or near the complete breakdown of the medium. For this reason, Tesla utilized sparkgaps in his early transmission systems, but also found that he could induce ionized media to "breakdown" in such fashion by a slow growth process. One of his early patented atmospheric wireless transmission systems is¼based on this fact. However, it was necessary to use a very high voltage, insuring extreme stress on the medium and hence some spillover stress onto time itself. In other words, THETA-3 is always an approximation; at sufficiently high spatial stress, sufficient spillover THETA-4 exists to give Tesla scalar waves. For this reason, Tesla used very high voltages and extremely sharp discharges to give "streaming" of the charged masses and thus high percentages of THETA-4 waves. This suggests that the breakdown of dielectrics is a much richer phenomenon than is presently allowed for in the conventional theory. To summarize, electrostatic potential -- THETA field --is stress on the spacetime medium at a four-dimensional point. I.e., it is a sort of pressure on the medium, but pressure on all four dimensions, not just on the three s_atial dimensions. Page 7 Thus in the new standard theory, THETA-4 may have complex values. In addition, a PHI-wave is to be interpreted as a scalar longitudinal wave in complex spacetime -- directly in THETA-0, the normal average 4-space stress itself. And charge and charged mass must be recognized as two separate concepts. This is the gist of what I finally recognized about Nikola Tesla's work and fundamental di covery. This is exciting, for it means that Tesla stress waves can affect either space or time individually, or both space and time simultaneously, or even oscillate back and forth between primarily affecting time and primarily affecting space. Tesla's waves were actually these THETA-field scalar waves. As such, they were fundamentally different from ordinary electromagnetic waves, and had entirely different characteristics, just as Tesla often stated. E.g., a Tesla wave can either move spatially, with time flowing linearly; move temporally only (sitting at a point and waxing and waning in magnitude -- but changing the rate of flow of time itself in doing so, and affecting gravitational field, fundamental constants of nature, etc.), or move in a combination of the two modes. In the latter case, the Tesla wave moves in space with a very strange motion -- it oscillates between (1) spatially standing still and flexing time, and (2) moving smoothly in space while time flows smoothly and evenly. I.e., it stands at one point (or at one columnar region), flexing for a moment; then slowly picks up spatial velocity until it is moving smoothly through space; then slows down again to a "standing column," etc. This is Tesla's fabulous "standing columnar wave. Another wild characteristic of the Tesla wave is that it can affect the rate of flow of time itself; hence it can affect or change every other field -- including the gravitational field -- that exists in time flow. It can also affect all universal constants, the mass of an object, the inertia of a body, and the mind and thoughts as well! All of these exist in the flow of time, and they are affected if the time stream in which they exist is affected. This was the awful secret that Tesla partially discovered by 1900, and which he came more and more to fully realize as he pursued it nature and its ramifications into the 1920's and 1930's. Tesla also found he could set up standing THETA-field waves through the earth. He in fact intended to do so, for he had also discovered that all charges in the highly stressed earth regions in which such a standing wave existed produced THETA-fields which would feed (kindle) energy into the standing THETA-field wave by pair coupling. Page 8 I.e., normal vector field energy would "assemble" onto the scalar matrix wave by means of pair-coupling. Thus by transmitting a scalar wave into the earth, he could easily tap the fiery scalar fields produced in the molten core of the planet itself, turning them into ordinary electromagnetic energy. In such case, a single generator would enable anyone to put up a simple antenna and extract all the free energy they desired. When Tesla's alarmed financial backers discovered this was his real intent, they considered him a dangerous madman and found it necessary to ruthlessly stop his at all costs. And so his financial support was withdrawn, he was harassed in his more subtle patent efforts (and the patents themselves were adulterated), and his name gradually was removed from all the electrical textbooks. By 1914 Tesla, who had been the greatest inventor and scientist in the world, had become essentially a nonperson. A few other persons in the early 1900's also were aware that potential and voltage are different. And some of them even learned to utilize Tesla's PHI- field, even though they only vaguely understood they were utilizing a fundamentally different kind of electromagnetic wave. For example, James Harris Rogers patented an undersea and underground communications system which Tesla later confirmed utilized Tesla waves. The U.S. secretly used the Rogers communications system in World War I to communicate with U. S. submarines underwater, and to communicate through the earth to the American Expeditionary Force Headquarters in Europe. The Rogers system was declassified after the War -- and very shortly after that, it had mysteriously been scrubbed off the face of the earth. Again, potential stress waves -- Tesla waves -- were eliminated and "buried." Probably the most brilliant inventor and researcher into Tesla's electromagnetics was T. Henry Moray of Salt Lake City, Utah. Dr. Moray actually succeeded in tapping the limitless zero-point energy of vacuum (spacetime) itself. By 1939, Dr. Morays amplifier contained 29 stages and its output stage produced 50 kilowatts of power from vacuum. Interestingly, another 50 kilowatts could be tapped off any other stage in the device -- which consequently could have produced almost 1.5 megawatts of electrical power! Dr. Morays epoch-making work was suppressed also. His device -- which represented over 20 years of heartbreaking accumulation of 29 working tubes from thousands made -- was destroyed by a Soviet agent in 1939, but not before the agent had obtained the drawing for building the tubes and the device itself. Page 9 Today the Moray amplifier is a standard component of many of the Soviet secret superweapons and Tesla weapons. In the 20s and 30s, Tesla announced the final perfection of his wireless transmission of energy without losses -- even to interplanetary distances. In several articles (e.g., H. Winfield Secor, "Tesla Maps Our Electrical Future," Science and Invention, Vol. XVII, No. 12, pp. 1077, 1124-1126), Tesla even revealed he used longitudinal stress waves in his wireless power transmission. Quoting from the article, "Tesla upholds the startling theory formulated by him long ago, that the radio transmitters as now used, do not emit Hertz waves, as commonly believed, but waves of sound." "He says that a Hertz wave would only be possible in a solid ether, but he has demonstrated already in 1897 that the ether is a gas, which can only transmit waves of sound; that is such as are propagated by alternate compressions and rarefactions of the medium in which transverse waves are absolutely impossible." The wily Tesla did not reveal, of course, that such scalar waves nearly always immediately pair-coupled into vector waves when produced by normal means. Tesla himself was working with longitudinal scalar waves. In the 1930s Tesla announced other bizarre and terrible weapons: a death ray, a weapon to destroy hundreds or even thousands of aircraft at hundreds of miles range, and his ultimate weapon to end all war -- the Tesla shield, which nothing could penetrate. However, by this time no one any longer paid any real attention to the forgotten great genius. Tesla died in 1943 without ever revealing the secret of these great weapons. Unfortunately, today in 1981 the Soviet Union has long since discovered and weaponized the Tesla scalar wave effects. Here we only have time to detail the most powerful of these frightening Tesla weapons -- which Brezhnev undoubtedly was referring to in 1975 when the Soviet side at the SALT talks suddenly suggested limiting the development of new weapons "more frightening than the mind of man had imagined." One of these weapons is the Tesla Howitzer recently completed at the Saryshagan missile range and presently considered to be either a high energy laser or a particle beam weapon. (See Aviation Week & Space Technology, July 28, 1980, p. 48 for an artist's conception.) The Saryshagan howitzer actually is a huge Tesla scalar interferometer with four modes of operation. One continuous mode is the Tesla shield, which places a thin, impenetrable hemispherical shell of energy over a large defended area. The 3-dimensional shell is created by intefering two Fourier- Page 18 expansion, 3-dimensional scalar hemispherical patterns in space so they pair-couple into a dome-like shell of intense, ordinary electromagnetic energy. The air molecules and atoms in the shell are totally ionized and thus highly excited, giving off intense, glowing light Anything physical which hits the shell receives an enormous discharge of electrical energy and is instantly vaporized -- it goes pfft! like a bug hitting one of the electrical bug killers now so much in vogue. If several of these hemispherical shells are concentrically stacked, even the gamma radiation and EMP from a high altitude nuclear explosion above the stack cannot penetrate all the shells due to repetitive absorption and re-radiation, and scattering in the layered plasmas. In the continuous shield mode, the Tesla interferometer is fed by a bank of Moray free energy generators, so that enormous energy is available in the shield. A diagram of the Saryshagan-type Tesla howitzer can be seen in drawing TESLA-1. TESLA-2 shows the Tesla shield produced by the howitzer. In the pulse mode, a single intense 3-dimensional scalar Theta-field pulse form is fired, using two truncated Fourier transforms, each involving several frequencies, to provide the proper 3-dimensional shape (TESLA-3). This is why two scalar antennas separated by a baseline are required. After a time delay calculated for the particular target, a second and faster pulse form of the same shape is fired from the interferometer antennas. The second pulse overtakes the first, catching it over the target zone and pair-coupling with it to instantly form a violent EMP of ordinary vector (Hertzian) electromagnetic energy. There is thus no vector transmission loss between the howitzer and the burst. Further, the coupling time is extremely short, and the energy will appear sharply in an "electromagnetic pulse (EMP)" striking similar to the 2-pulsed EMP of a nuclear weapon. This type is what actually caused the mysterious flashes off the southwest coast of Africa, picked up in 1979 and 1980 by Vela satellites. The second flash, e.g., was in the infrared only, with no visible spectrum. Nuclear flashes do not do that, and neither does super- lightening, meteorite strikes, meteors, etc. In addition, one of the scientists at the Arecibo Ionospheric Observatory observed a gravitational wave disturbance -- signature of the truncated Fourier pattern and the time- squeezing effect of the Tesla potential wave -- traveling toward the vicinity of the explosion. Page 11 The pulse mode may be fed from either Moray generators or -- if the Moray generators have suffered their anomalous "all fail" malfunction -- ordinary explosive generators. Thus the Tesla howitzer can always function in the pulse mode, but it will be limited in power if the Moray generators fail. In the continuous mode, two continuous scalar waves are emitted -- one faster than the other -- and they pair-couple into vector energy at the region where they approach an in-phase condition. In this mode, the energy in the distant "ball" or geometric region would appear continuously and be sustained -- and this is Tesla's secret of wireless transmission of energy at a distance without losses. It is also the secret of a "continuous fireball" weapon capable of destroying hundreds of aircraft or missiles at a distance. The volume of the Tesla fireball can be vastly expanded to yield a globe which will not vaporize physical vehicles but will deliver and EMP to them to dud their electronics. A test of this mode has already been witnessed, See Gwyne Roberts, "Witness to a Super Weapon?, the London Sunday Times, 17 August 1980 for several tests of this mode at Saryshagan, seen from Afghanistan by British TV cameraman and former War Correspondent Nick Downie. If the Moray generators fail anomalously, then a continuous mode limited in power and range could conceivably be sustained by powering the interferometer from more conventional power sources such as advanced magneto-hydrodynamic generators. Typical strategic ABM uses of Tesla weapons are shown in Tesla-4. In addition, of course, smaller Tesla howitzer systems for anti- tactical ballistic missile defense of tactical troops and installations could be constituted of more conventional field missile systems using paired or triplet radars, of conventional external appearance, in a scalar interferometer mode. With Moray generators as power sources and multiply deployed reentry vehicles with scalar antennas and transmitters, ICBM reentry systems now can become long range "blasters" of the target areas, from thousands of kilometers distance (TESLA-5). Literally, "Star Wars" is liberated by the Tesla technology. And in air attack, jammers and ECM aircraft now become "Tesla blasters." With the Tesla technology, emitters become primary fighting components of stunning power. The potential peaceful implications of Tesla waves are also enormous. By utilizing the "time squeeze" effect, one can get antigravity, materialization and dematerialization, transmutation, and mind boggling medical benefits. One can also get subluminal and superluminal communication, see through the earth and through the ocean, etc. The new view of Theta-field also provides a unified field theory, higher orders of Page 12 reality, and a new super-relativity, but detailing these possibilities must wait for another book. With two cerebral brain halves, the human being also has a Tesla scalar interferometer between his ears. And since the brain and nervous system processes avalanche discharges, it can produce (and detect) scalar Tesla waves to at least a limited degree. Thus a human can sometimes produce anomalous spatio-temporal effects at a distance and through time. This provides an exact mechanism for psychokinesis, levitation, psychic healing, telepathy, precognition, postcognition, remote viewing, etc. It also provides a reason why an individual can detect a "stick" on a radionics or Hieronymus machine (which processes scalar waves), when ordinary detectors detect nothing. Unfortunately there is not room to develop the implications of this human Tesla interferometry in detail, for that must wait for yet another book, presently in its initial stages, that Hal Crawford and I are writing. At the July 1981 U.S. Psychotronics Association's Annual Conference in Dayton, Ohio, I presented the first rough paper on the Tesla secret and scalar interferometry. A videotape of the presentation was made and will shortly be available. I am also scheduled to make a special presentation at the Alternate Energy Conference in Toronto, Canada in latter October, 1981. A professional, videotaped two-hour presentation on this subject is also being prepared. Wide distribution of the material through the international underground physics and technology network has already been made. This time, God willing, Tesla's secret will not be suppresses for another 80 years! And perhaps it is not yet too late. The material has cost me (now) some 16 years of agonizing labor and nearly \$100,000 of my own personal funds. No orthodox university, scientific group, foundation, or governmental agency would support such an effort, either financially or otherwise. Indeed, most ordinary journals will not even accept material on such matters. Nonetheless, the area is of overwhelming importance -- and I truly believe Tesla's lost secret will shortly affect the lives of every human being on earth. Perhaps with the free and open release of Teslas secret, the scientific and governmental bureaucracies will be shocked awake from their slumber, and we can develop defense before Armageddon occurs. Perhaps there is hope after all -- for even Brezhnev, in his strange July, 1975 proposal to the SALT talks, seemed to reveal a perception that a turning point in wear and weaponry may have been reached, and that human imagination is incapable of dealing with the ability to totally engineer reality itself. Page 13 Having tested the weapons, the Soviets must be aware that the ill- provoked oscillation of time flow affects the minds and thoughts -- and the very life streams and even the collective species unconsciousness -- of all life forms on earth. They must know that these weapons are two-edged swords, and that the backlash from their use can be far more terrible to the user than was the original effect to his victim. If we can avoid the Apocalypse, the fantastic secret of Nikola Tesla can be employed to cure and elevate man, not kill him. Tesla's discovery can eventually remove every conceivable external human limitation. If we humans ourselves can elevate our consciousness to properly utilize the Tesla electromagnetics, then Nikola Tesla -- who gave us the electrical twentieth century in the first place -- may yet give us a fantastic new future more shining and glorious than all the great scientists and sages have imagined. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Part II Reference Articles for Solutions to Tesla's Secrets -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Electrical Engineer - London Dec. 24, 1909, p. 893 NIKOLA TESLA`S NEW WIRELESS Mr. Nikola Tesla has announced that as the result of experiments conducted at Shoreham, Long Island, he has perfected a new system of wireless telegraphy and telephony in which the principles of transmission are the direct opposite of Hertzian wave transmission. In the latter, he says, the transmission is effected by rays akin to light, which pass through the air and cannot be transmitted through the ground, while in the former the Hertz waves are practically suppressed and the entire energy of the current is transmitted through the ground exactly as though a big wire. Mr. Tesla adds that in his experiments in Colorado it was shown that a very powerful current developed by the transmitter traversed the entire globe and returned to its origin in an interval of 84 one-thousandths of a second, this journey of 24,000 miles being effected almost without loss of energy. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NEW YORK TIMES Dec. 8, 1915, p. 8, col. 3 TESLA'S NEW DEVICE LIKE BOLTS OF THOR He Seeks to Patent Wireless Engine for Destroying Navies by Pulling a Lever. To Shatter Armies Also. "Impractical," He says of Westerner's Plan to Circle Country with Electric Fire. Page 14 Nikola Tesla, the inventor, winner of the 1915 Nobel Physics Prize, has filed patent applications on the essential parts of a machine the possibilities of which test a layman's imagination and promise a parallel of Thor's shouting thunderbolts from the sky to punish those who angered the gods. Dr. Tesla insists there is nothing sensational about it, that it is but the fruition of many years of work and study. He is not yet ready to give the details of the engine which he says will render fruitless any military expedition against a country which possesses it. Suffice to say that the destructive invention will go through space with a speed of 300 miles a second, and manless airship without propelling engine or wings, sent by electricity to any desired point on the globe on its errand of destruction, if destruction its manipulator wishes to effect. Ten miles or a thousand miles, it will be all the same to the machine, the inventor says. Straight to the point, on land or on sea, it will be able to go with precision, delivering a blow that will paralyze of kill, as is desired. A man in a tower on Long Island could shield New York against ships or army by working a lever, if the inventor's anticipations become realizations. "It is not the time," said Dr. Tesla yesterday, "to go into the details of this thing. It is founded on a principle that means great things in peace, it can be used for great things in war. But I repeat, this is no time to talk of such things. "It is perfectly practicable to transmit electrical energy without wires and produce destructive effects at a distance. I have already constructed a wireless transmitter which makes this possible, and have described it in my technical publications, among which I may refer to my patent 1,119,732 recently granted. With transmitters of this kind we are enabled to project electrical energy in any amount to any distance and apply it for innumerable purposes, both in peace and war. Through the universal adoption of this system, ideal conditions for the maintenance of law and order will be realized, for then the energy necessary to the enforcement of right and justice will be normally productive, yet potential, and in any moment available, for attack and defense. The power transmitted need not be necessarily destructive, for, if existence is made to depend upon it, its withdrawal or supply will bring about the same results as those now accomplished by force of arms. Dr. Tesla then said that it would be possible with his wireless mechanism to direct an ordinary aeroplane, manless, to any point over a ship or an army, and to discharge explosives of great strength from the base of operations. Asked to express an opinion upon the announcement last Sunday of Page 15 Charles H. Harris, and electrical engineer of Los Angeles, that he would be able to surround this country with an electrical wall of fire in time of war, Dr. Tesla gave it as his opinion that Mr. Harris was not practical. "It is hard to stamp as impossible such results as those described in the press dispatches to which you refer. Granted, however, that the project is feasible, it would take more than all the motive power obtainable in the United States to throw a wall of fire around the country. In fact, even the passage of small currents at considerable distances through air consumes a great deal of energy on account of the immense pressure required. So, for instance, in lightening discharges, energy may be delivered at the rated of billions of horsepower, though the currents are of smaller volume than those developed by electrical generators in our power houses." END OF REPORT -------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have comments or other information relating to such topics as this paper covers, please upload to KeelyNet or send to the Vangard Sciences address as listed on the first page. Thank you for your consideration, interest and support. Jerry W. Decker.........Ron Barker...........Chuck Henderson Vangard Sciences/KeelyNet -------------------------------------------------------------------- If we can be of service, you may contact Jerry at (214) 324-8741 or Ron at (214) 242-9346 --------------------------------------------------------------------

10. ### Time/02112Senior MemberRegistered Senior Member

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TT_0 (John Tritor) A Time~Travelers Photo Album

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TT_0 Temporal Unit Insignia
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Photocopy of TT_0's "C204" Technical Manual
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TT_0's C204 Device "Schematics"
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Detailed Cutaway of TT_0's C204 Device
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According to TT_0, this is a photo taken in (2035) of his Instructor demonstrating the photons from his laser pointer, bending from the gravitational field produced outside their vehicle by the C204 Distortion Unit. The beam is visible through the smoke emitted from his Instructor's cigar.
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These last images are of the same model of the IBM Series 5100 that TT_0 described that he needed to take back with him.
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11. ### MooseRegistered Member

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er.......

i managed not to read the entire thread, because that would require a millenium.......
however........ what the hell is all that crap above about?
time to scan report....

moosey

12. ### kmguruStaff Member

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A dead giveaway...the typewriter fonts...Nobody uses those fonts anymore...

And those giant capacitors, must be early seventies contraption....

March 2034....Bull ....

13. ### StryderKeeper of "good" ideas.Valued Senior Member

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Well I looked at Time/02112 images, info and the links (Even joined their board just to try and get some collaborating evidence from the person they call STEVEN)

I realised pretty much what Kmguru came up with, that the time traveller and his so called device is just a hoax. I know that people can buy studio props after films have been made or series end, so my guess is the equipment is nothing more than a prop.

(As with most props that are suppose to do something, they do like planning on how parts work, as you never know that a plot of a film might need some replacement part while they are stuck etc, so they draw plans up. The insignia would also tie in, infact the film or series probably never made it passed the pilot episodes which does happen, so it will be sat in an archive bunker somewhere.)

Steven's info seemed more like reality, not much info was given out but I can guess the details.
College or university, doing experiments in the creation of parallels using a superconductor or quantum computer to account for the timeline manipulation.
A singular timeline has to be split enough so that any parallel that comes from it is less than 0.001% the Quanta of the original. Otherwise it would cause a wave collapse or the reverse and increase in quanta resulting in something similar to radiation burns.

(When I mention quanta it is in direct reference to the subatomic levels)

I only know about this sort of equipment, because a couple of years ago, I was in the preliminary design stages of such a system using Electromagnetics to change the speed of frequency and the use of a computer to tally it all together.

Of course I didn't move anything off of the drawing board, but only because I wanted to continue studying the reality of what would occur if I embarked, Would it be safe? What could I do? What would be hazardous to do? etc.

(My original thought was this device could see information from the future and drag it back to the here and now, I thought it could be a valuable asset if something serious occured, take for instance my thoughts was a Comet striking the earth. If you found you had 10 years until it happens, then you have to try and figure a way of dealing with it, and what the best way is, with one of theses systems you could pretty much turn 10 years of study,design and building into an infinite period. [10years x infinity]
This would mean by the time the comet was suppose to strike you would have a way that doesn't just deal with it, but you also know what occurs afterwards.)

At the end of the day it means that when the quanta becomes split, you could call it Quanta Entanglement (The subatomic levels and how they react, as apposed to Quantum Entanglement that means how atoms interact with each other.)
Also with my thoughts of Quanta Entanglement, it would mean that you could pull something completely appart and beam the energy away from it, so the comet could actually be turned into pure energy and cause no damage through having no mass.

(Of course I wouldn't suggest being living organisms to and from locatiuons, as this is transporter technology in the making for all you trekkie fanatics.)

14. ### Time/02112Senior MemberRegistered Senior Member

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I apologize for not inserting a "Disclaimer" prior to posting John Tritors <aKa>"TT_0's" photos, we often get people who make claims to be Time~Travellers from the future, however this person had such a unique story, I thought by passing it on would yeild better results to gain the opinions of others, besides the neat photos that came alopng with the story, it was quite interesting none-the-less.

In spite of the many who would stoop to almost any level to comit a good hoax, we must not be so quick to dismiss the potential for a genuine Time~Traveller among us, let alone underestimate our own abilities to create a genuine Time Machine.

I have discussed Tritor's story on numerous occasions with some of our research associates and have concluded the possibility that some of his references pertaining to the future might be linked to other sources that are engadged to look forward, and vision as to the many potential outcomes may bring forth, and he may have been either associated with this group, or perhaps
may have had access to sensetive information that this group provided to those whom they are contracted with to come up with this data.

I'm not sure what the name of this organization/s is, or other details beyond this, but it is not dificult to believe in such an organization that projects world affairs, to economic futures being projected because of the sophisticated society we live in, it becomes an necessity to organize such teams of "Visionists" so that we can prepare for what is to meet us around the corners of "Time" as we progress forward to meet the destiny/ies
that await us all.

Some of the existing organizations that may be good examples of forward thinking might be something like this?
affs@affs.org
http://www.affs.org
P.O. Box FE, Los Gatos CA 95031, USA
THE INSTITUTE FOR NEW ENERGY (http://www.padrak.com/ine)
The International Space Sciences Organization (http://www.isso.org)

As for the "Experts" I am not sayiong they are right or wrong
pertaining to Mr. Tritor, however it is my contentious belief to differ of opinion relating to our potential ability for Time~Travel which appears to fall short of what we might truly be capable of.

One good thing to remeber though, is that Humans are often very resoucefull, as well as unpredictable, and their potential is often far greater & underestimated by others as well as themselves! in short, I believe it is far easier to prove Time~Travel will become a success much sooner than the critics would have us all believe than to sell them on Tritor!

Hoaxers are very prevelant among us, but we must not allow this to discourage our perceptions, or beliefs that there remains a good percentage of what simple logic may not have an explanation for, so remember just like in the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" story, it does'nt mean there isin't something still out there that needs to be investigated! so remember to stay focused & keep your eyes on the prize.
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15. ### kmguruStaff Member

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Those of you who hear of advanced technology whether from future or from alien beings should always look for specific design and theory behind it. Most hoaxes including those diagrams in star trek or any science fiction shows go down to a certain detail and then stop. Beyond generalities, they lack specificity and language - since they are normally an imagination from a writer.

There is always a possiblity that a hoax can be made by knowledgeable people such as EE, ME and CS majors from MIT that will be difficult to catch. For example, I could design a real tricorder, the size of a large box today using MRI, Ultrasonic and other hyperspectral technology. Here the theory is good, but we do not have the computer software to interprete the data - someday we will.

It is just a thought to keep in mind....in addition to our Time Travel adventure....

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"Vision" is a precursor to Creation, but requires applied action, and demonstratable results, and I assure you that all these things are a part of our research, after all i would not be exhasting so much "Time" and Resources into something absurd, moreover if we were certain as to what we were doing, it would not be called research, and if we knew everything, there would be no reason to explore!
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17. ### StryderKeeper of "good" ideas.Valued Senior Member

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TIME02112,

Think of not moving Mass through time, but something like an EM wave that can fluctuate something between two time points, and then perhaps you might start to view the speed of a decent Quantum computer.

The idea is that if you had a network parallel process at theses speeds, the network can actually become in an instance an near infinite processor turn over.

This means you can ask 101 questions and get all the answers, but the problem begins when you get the answers before you ask the questions, so you don't know what question you ask.

This gives the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy "42" equation.

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Are you perhaps referring to something like the following...

Innsbruck CTTN Research Team
"Quantum Entanglement Experiment"
***Sucess!***
From: Jason Shields *(TAP-TEN Research Member Associate)
URL: http://www.learn.at/cttn
The dream of teleportation is to be able to travel by simply
reappearing at some distant location. It might appear that one could
scan the object and send the information so that the object can be
reconstructed at the destination. Yet, fundamental laws like the
Heisenberg uncertainty relation do not allow one to measure any
object to arbitrary precision. Charles H. Bennett and his co-workers
have suggested that it is possible to transfer even quantum states,
provided one does not get any information about the state. This
becomes possible by utilizing entanglement, one of the essential
features of quantum mechanics.

Here we present the first experimental verification of quantum
teleportation. By producing pairs of entangled photons by the process
of parametric down-conversion and using two-photon interferometry for
analysing the entanglement, we could transfer a quantum property (in
our case the polarization state) from one photon to another.

Quantum teleportation is featured in the April 2000 issue of
Scientific American.

This work is published in:

Dik Bouwmeester, Jian-Wei Pan, Klaus Mattle, Manfred Eibl, Harald
Weinfurter & Anton Zeilinger, Experimental Quantum Teleportation,
Nature vol.390, 11 Dec 1997, pp.575.
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Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:17:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jason Shields spiffyboffo@yahoo.com
Subject: Broken Link and querry to the experimenters
To: harald.weinfurter@physik.uni-muenchen.de

Hello,

I have been collecting links on teleportation and
quantum physics as well as Relativity and Superstring
Theory and time travel theory from very respectable
sources at http://www.learn.at/cttn and wanted to
http://www.quantum.univie.ac.at/research/teleport/index.html
is broken. The Scientific American April 2000 issue
on teleportation has been moved to
http://www.sciam.com/2000/0400issue/0400currentissue.html
but I have no idea why the article isn't featured.

I was wondering that, since the Innsbruck Experiment
involves instantaneous teleportation, does that mean
that a dual experiment in FTL time travel has also
been achieved? I've talked to Prof. Michio Kaku and
he told me that no information is able to travel FTL
through teleportation, but from what I understand
about the Innsbruck experiment has done is exactly
that. By using the polarizations as a form of FTL
information exchange that happens 20% of the time the
experiment is done. Could you please get back to me
regarding this idea, and to let me know what you think

Thank you,
Jason Shields
spiffyboffo@yahoo.com

***Response***

Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:40:08 +0200
From: Harald Weinfurter
Harald.Weinfurter@physik.uni-muenchen.de
Organization: Sektion Physik, LMU Muenchen
To: Jason Shields spiffyboffo@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Broken Link and querry to the experimenters

hej Jason,

thanks for pointing at the broken link !

concerning FTL: teleportation is only accomplished when the reciever
of
the quantum state performs some unitary transformation on the quantum
state which depends on the measurement result of the sender. without
the
(classical) information from the sender and without the final unitary
transformation, the particle at the hands of Bob is as uncorrelated
with
the original state as it could be. and the classical information can
be
broadcast only with the speed of light.
in our experiment we did not perform the unitary transformation, but
here
the reciever had to wait until he received the message from the sender
that for the particular instance the photon is in the correct state
(which happened with 25% prob). in the other 75% of the cases you
would
have obtained the wrong result.
so, no FTl.

best regards.
harald
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Harald Weinfurter
Sektion Physik
Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet Muenchen
Schellingstr. 4/III
D-80799 Muenchen

tel.: +49-89-2180-2044
fax : +49-89-2180-5032

Another breakthrough I am focusing in on here pertains to the recent
developments at the homepage of:
"Long Distance Photonic Quantum Communication", which is project IST-
1999-100 33 of the proactive call on QIPC- Quantum Information
Processing and Communication of the Future and Emerging Technologies
Key Action in the European Community Fifth Framework Program
Information Society Technologies-IST.

Research Mission
The research at the Laboratory of Quantum Electronics and Quantum
Optics focuses on quantum mechanical phenomena. We explore the
physical limitations of electronics and optics and try to harness the
opportunities quantum systems offer in information processing.
Research Overview
As the physical dimensions of the building blocks in electronics and
optics shrink, quantum mechanical effects become increasingly
important. We explore applications of quantum systems in electronics,
optics and information technology. Some specific areas we have
researched in this respect are microlasers, fibre-optical
communication systems, optical amplifiers, quantum cryptography and
optical and atomic interferometry. In addition we try to improve our
understanding of fundamental quantum physics. Some examples of such
research include complementarity, measurement back-action,
simultaneous measurements and the physical representation of
information.
Highlights
Demonstration of antibunching from InAs quantum dots
Demonstration of an "interaction-free" measurement
Quantum cryptography over 40 km of optical fibre
Heisenberg-limited interferometry
Demonstration of quantum erasure
Microcapillary flow-velocity profiling through correlation
spectroscopy
Demonstration of Schrödinger kitten states
Projects
Quantum Interference and Entanglement
Quantum Information and Communication
Cavity Quantum Electrodynamics
Interaction Free Measurements
Single Emitters

The European IST project "Long Distance Photonic Quantum
Communication" - QuComm
The European IST project "Solid State Sources for Single Photons" -
S4P.
The European IST project "Photonic Crystal Integrated Circuits" -
PCIC.
The European IST network of excellence "Quantum Information
Processing & Communications" - QUIPROCONE

from: Quantum and Foundational Physics
the website of Prof. Zeilinger and his group. We are are doing
research in photonic entanglement and molecular optics to test the
most fundamental issues in quantum physics.
http://www.quantum.univie.ac.at

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19. ### BeauidealRegistered Member

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hi how is everyone? I hope everyone was able to travel through to the new year without any problems. I trust we havent lost anyone in a time event loop have we? if we have speak up....LOL

does anyone think that it could at all be possible to warp or bend space to the point, that a person or an object can appear to be at 2 points at the same time? then allow space to unfold or unwarp and be located at the second point. in affect appearing to have traveled instantaniously from one point to another.

example: use a sheet of paper to represent space, then put a small piece of sticky gum on one end of the paper. then fold the piece of paper so the other end of the paper is now stuck to the piece of gum. the gum is now existing at two points on the piece of paper at the same time. then open the piece of paper, having the small piece of gum sticking to the second point on the paper it will have appeared to have instantaniously traveled to the other end of the paper. (ATLEAST IF COULD HAVE OBSERVED THIS OCCURRING ON AN ATOMIC LEVEL, IT WOULD HAVE APPEARED THAT, THAT IS WHAT HAD HAPPENED)

now my question is can this be done on our level of existance? is this something that black wholes cause?

20. ### DeusSeeker of TruthRegistered Senior Member

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What you are talking about is called spacefolding. You can find it in science fiction, often used as an alternative to faster-than-light travel. Think about it, why bother travelling that fast, if you can simply bring two points in space close together and then step across the gap?

I think that this could be done through wormholes, which IIRC are holes in space-time. Of course, we'd have to be able to create and aim stable wormholes to do this, but...

21. ### kmguruStaff Member

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It may be easier and less energy consuming if we can find a way to move along the 5th dimension to move from point A to point B in our 4-D world.

Just a thought. ...

22. ### CrispGone 4everRegistered Senior Member

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Assuming that other dimensions exist, moving in them will not necessarily move you in spacetime. You can imagine this by simply looking in our 3D world. If you want to walk one meter to the left (let's call that the x direction) and you only move forward and backward (let's call this the y direction) then you won't be getting any closer to the point you desire.

Some reservations about this example: I assume that the other dimensions have an Euclidian geometry (which is such that our daily notion of "perpendicular" coïncides with the mathematical meaning). This is ofcourse not generally true - just think of spacetime with its Minkowksi (SR) or Riemann (? GR) geometry. However, the idea is still more or less valid: moving through time does not imply you move through space (eg. while you are reading this you are probably sitting in a chair - you move through spacetime only in the time direction). Moving through space does imply movement in time, but this is basically because you cannot move faster than the speed of light and hence need a finite time (and not an infinitesimal) to cross a certain distance. However, once again, we don't know if the same idea holds in other dimensions.

Ofcourse it might be possible (in the end, almost everything is

) but I surely wouldn't take it for granted.

Besides, who wants to move through the dimension "green" anyway

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Bye!

Crisp

23. ### sciguy1945Registered Member

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All this talk, it hurts my head! Einstein, why did you have to make that theory!!!?????????