The Trump Presidency

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    the likes of manafort would not do such a thing for free.
    it is a capitalist society.
    these things have a price tag.
    he would have been paid to do so.
    that is the capitalist way.

    people crying foul for such a thing as US citizens would be likened to left wing socialists by the main stream US society.
    in the USA, the richer you are, the less honest you are expected to be.
    you are also held to a lower level of morality and a far more liberal interpretion, even if your a right wing conservative.
    queue endles sex scandals of married men
     
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  3. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    Hostile nuclear power has potentially compromising info on a bizarrely submissive, mentally unstable president they are alleged to have helped elect. Man involved in dealings has already confessed to knowing the details. Know what? Superbowl's coming soon, maybe we should just put the whole thing off for a while and give his lawyers time to write it all up as a novella, save waterboarding for the late pizza guy.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    He was in debt.
     
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  7. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Which is why I feel there is considerably more at stake than Trump's impeachment or jailing or even Republican disempowerment.
    I feel that the Mueller investigation is dealing with something that NEEDS Trump to stay in office for the time being. The consequences involved may be considerably more damaging than what is currently being speculated upon.
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    In the category of "not just me":
    http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2015/11/donald-trump-may-not-be-fascist-but-he.html
    https://homelessonthehighdesert.wordpress.com/2018/09/17/fascism-creeps-4/
    And in the category of "National Security betrayals by Republican Presidents": https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...-russia-probe-n910486?cid=public-rss_20180917
    Trump is exposing the work and threatening the careers of a bunch of people in the US intelligence agencies who have one thing in common: expertise in Russian organized crime.
     
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  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The fact that this summary is directly relevant in a thread about Trump's current behavior as President of the United States of America kind of says it all: https://www.apnews.com/ab08ccce8ac941e28195ba5cb6da1398
    This is what happens when such breaches of security are not prosecuted, and travesties of men like Dick Cheney are left undisturbed in their comfortable post-disaster retirements.
    Gotta love that journalist's neutral term: "businessmen".
    As we say in Fargo land: Yah, yoo betcha.
     
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  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    K.T. McFarland brings her near 50 years of lying in the service of evil to what is - we hope - a fitting end: https://mbouffant.blogspot.com/2018/09/former-top-white-house-official-revises.html
    http://www.emptywheel.net/2018/09/22/on-kt-mcfarlands-belated-unforgetting-of-the-truth/
    The events of W's administration are going to keep surfacing, just like Reagan's have. This is a Republican presidency.
     
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  11. douwd20 Registered Senior Member

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    Like always.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2008/08/bushs-reign-error-timeline/
     
  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    (i am being a little ott as in a modern world it seems incongruous to modern diplomacy that the main 5 technalogical states of the 1st world are at war with each other as deemed to be "hostile".)

    Hostile nuclear power top 10 list by politics & religion

    Christian nuclear powers = 4/(5 including russia)
    Mixed market ecconomy nuclear powers = 3 (uk france germany)
    Communist nuclear powers 2 (china & north korea)
    Socialist nuclears powers = 2 (india & russia)
    Capitalist nuclear powers = 1 (usa)
    Muslim nuclear powers = 2(+/-1 iran)
    Jewish nuclear powers = 0(+/-1 israel)
    Facist nuclear powers = 0
    non aligned independant nuclear powers = 0
     
  13. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    . Well, I need to disagree with a few of your assertions. First, Russia's economy is a mixed economy just as are most economies including the American economy. Two, the Germany isn't a nuclear power. Three, you are erroneously conflating economic systems with political systems. Communism is a political system, not an economic system. Russia, Germany, UK, France, and the US are all mixed economies. Fourth, Russia is in fact a fascist state.
     
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  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    maybe i should have put "i am being VERY over the top"
    satire...
    with extreme stero types
    my intent was to illistrate the wide variety of different ideas and concepts around how people percieve concepts of state leadership models, from religous to socio-political.
    my intent was not to misslead.

    i am curious about how you define russia as being a facist state ?
     
  15. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Because Putin's Russia conforms with the definition of a fascist state. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0967067X16000039

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-being-called-fascist/?utm_term=.feae72a6b9b2
     
  16. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    "are you not entertained" ?

    he has hardly "done it to them". your assertion of "his" in this example seems a little obtuse.
    your atmospherics suggest russel crows position in this movie.

    while i do not know his level of intellectual ability, i would suggest it unlikely that any 1 person could manipulate the country to make it their own.
    thus your label is a little distracting.
    The "vision" of russia that the russian people support is equally a product of what they are happy to accept ?
    if we were to start an intellectual debate on the issue i would take note of the reason behind the removal of the nature of the self from the mechanism of the state body being a system OF the people.
    would it not be interchangalbe for "Trumps america"?
    is not the assertion of the term of reference to the self derisive as a slight ?
    maybe i missinterpret how people/you use the expresion.

    a cult like "patriotism" like demanding paid profesionals who you do not manage or pay to stand for the national anthem in their place of work ?
    while seeking to legally and financialy and publicly punish those employees whom you do not employ for not standing during the national anthem at private sports games ?

    i am not yet at a point of ability to agree nor dissagree with you as your terms of refenrece are outside my ability to equate them to note a difference... and the inflection of implied theme is quite polarising.
     
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  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps whether fascist or not can be better determined by the reality of the democracy involved. Whether free elections are held with out police oppression of the opposition etc.
    If this were to be the case then sure Russia seems to fit the label of Fascist state.
    • Opposition to government policy seriously oppressed by police action
    • Large numbers of political prisoners.
    • Authoritarian one man rule ( effective totalitarian)
    • Systemic corruption.
    • Leaders wealth maintained in foreign banks etc. ( for security of future should things go ape, perhaps)
    Anything else?
     
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    [Part of a series, based on what former inmate Kim Kwang-il experienced in a North Korean prison]


    President Donald Trump told supporters at a rally in Wheeling, West Virginia, on Saturday that he and North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un have fallen in love.

    [...]

    Referring to the pair’s
    highly choreographed summit in Singapore earlier this year, Trump said that both were “tough” and spent time going “back and forth.”

    “And then we fell in love, okay” he said. “No really. He wrote me beautiful letters, and they’re great letters. We fell in love.

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    And now reality, about the object of Trump's affection:

    The government practices collective punishment for alleged anti-state offenses, effectively enslaving hundreds of thousands of citizens, including children, in prison camps and other detention facilities. Detainees face deplorable conditions, sexual coercion and abuse, beatings and torture by guards, and forced labor in dangerous and sometimes deadly conditions.

    Those accused of serious political offenses are usually sent to political prison camps, known as kwanliso, operated by North Korea’s National Security Agency. These camps are characterized by systematic abuses, including meager rations that imperil health and can lead to starvation, virtually no medical care, lack of proper housing and clothes, regular mistreatment including sexual assault and torture by guards, and public executions. Political prisoners face backbreaking forced labor, including in logging, mining, and agricultural.

    UN officials estimate that between 80,000 and 120,000 people are imprisoned in political prison camps
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  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Corporate capitalist economic organization.
    Atavistic ethnic group mythology.
    A couple of others. Fascist is only one way to be authoritarian or oppressive.
     
  20. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    But hey, according to Trump, he and Jung-un are in love. They write beautiful letters to each other.

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    Two love birds, isn't life sweet? http://time.com/5411002/trump-kim-jon-un-fell-in-love/
     
  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    can a court order open all a lawyers clients tax records for all their clients ?
    would the court make an exception based on authority instead of based on law ?
    does it go to the supreme court ?
     
  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    What's with the departure of Nikki Haley (UN) so close to the elections?
     

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