The Trump Presidency

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    Why trust an anonymous letter in the NYT when you can just read some anonymous guy's alt-right blog and get the real truth straight from his basement?
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    When the alt-right blog has the NYT track record and stakes in the game, I will give it the same trust. Whatever that is.
     
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  7. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    I think NYT has a lot more to lose if it turned out to be a prankster or forgery.
     
  8. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think it can be proven one way or the other however the Op Ed was definitely more about provoking Trumps "loyalty" paranoia and narcissism than about making the electorate feel more secure. If any thing it only confirmed their fears thus conflating the issue even more so.
    Trump is an easy target after all.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    And the means, as well as the motive, to verify. So we are in perfect agreement, on the comparative reliability of alt-right blogs and the New York Times.
    The op-ed was about putting distance and deniability between the people in the Republican Party who set up and launched this rolling disaster and the rolling disaster they set up and launched.
    They want to pin the whole thing on Trump, declare Trump to be not them (using the entire media at their command to sell that bs), and launch the next round of the bustout stank-free and not from inside a jail cell - just as they did with Nixon, Reagan, Bush, and (spectacularly, T-Party Circus) W.

    Turns out their monster has its own priorities, and the golem base they set up to listen to it and it only isn't listening to them.

    Which is what any liberal arts major could have told them was going to happen, and many did. It's a common theme in tragedy for a reason.

    The major difference being that tragedy, for its effect, requires that the fatal blunder be made by a hero or some kind of sympathetic character - and these people are Republicans. They just buried their last shadow of heroism and shred of decency, while bitching about the publicity.
    The G stands for Gadarene:
    https://twitter.com/JuliusGoat/status/1037651946579132416
     
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  10. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    What's Fox News' take on the whole thing? They should be overjoyed that their president doesn't require checks and balances, because his administration already comes with them built in.
     
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  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The Party line is setting up, or trying to in the avalanche: Trump is on his own, unique, with all his virtues and flaws particular to him. Not the Party. So he is at once
    1) unfairly persecuted by all the rest of government and the media, just like the Republicans and their voting base - it's all lies and fake news
    2) not representative of the Republican Party in his disasters and incapabilities and personal flaws - he's not a Republican or conservative, really.
     
  12. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    So the insanity continues... local national news today:
    www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-14/trump-disputes-puerto-rico-storm-death-toll-and-blames-democrats/10244870
    Trump apparently tweets:
    "3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico … as time went by it did not go up by much,"
    and suggests the death tole has been inflated to "make him look bad" by the Democrats.
    Puerto Rico's governor raised the US territory's official death toll from Hurricane Maria from 64 to 2,975 after an independent study found the number of people who succumbed in the aftermath had been severely undercounted.
    The tweets drew the ire of Carmen Yulin Cruz, the mayor of San Juan, who has sharply criticized both the president and his administration's response to the storm last year that devastated the US territory.
    "This is what denial following neglect looks like: Mr Pres in the real world people died on your watch. YOUR LACK OF RESPECT IS APPALLING!" she wrote on Twitter.
    She added another tweet saying the US leader was "delusional, paranoid and unhinged from any sense of reality."

    While it may be true that the Republicans are empowering Trump it is worth noting that this sort of insanity is Trump specific.

    There is every indication that the Trump administration may have sought to censor the true death tole from Puerto Rico.
     
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  13. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Humor:
    Rumor has it that Trump has employed the NSA to provide him with hourly updates as to how often the word the key word "Trump" is mentioned on the net globally. That he has a hourly updated set of "focus" graphs sitting in the oval office.
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    We saw similar bizarre denials of death counts from Nixon, Reagan, and W, as Presidents.
    We have also seen such denials from Republican Congressmen, and Republican media figures.
     
  15. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    but never tweeted to the global community as such yes?
     
  16. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    It's the tweeting that means he's crazy?
    I thought it was the denials.
     
  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    》》Wonders what Nixon, Bush etc. would have tweeted had they the opportunity and whether they would have found a better use for it (tweeting) than showing the world how crazy they were.
     
  18. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    why no one talking about manafort ?
    the silence seems odd.
     
  19. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Good news is Manafort might know some good sht on Trump... bad news is Trump will still be in office until after mid-terms... worse news is when Trump goes Pence comes.!!!
     
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  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    the client confidentiality agreement is not removed just because manafort pleads guilty to some type of charge ?
    i should imagine if the prosecutors attempt to turn over the client confidentiality agreement they will be locked in court for the next 10 years.

    how old is pence ?
    can he actuallty run with the crowd or will he be consined to fly a desk 20 minutes after breaking news to report official recognition of varying degrees of news items ?
    is DT's constant change confused for dynamic leadership that they cant replace ?
    DT likes to keep up with things but seems to confuse his sources(conspiracy news?)

    Pence is old style and will be an echoe of the nixon hand over to probably do as little as possible and hold on to the senate for as long as possible.
    given the next election is going to be a completely new level of society i doubt either the republicans or democrats can guess how it is going to play out.
    the old style of newly twisted politics is not going to fly with millennial voters.
    its the millennial voters who will be the total value of swing votes given the chance the dems will come out and vote more soo this time and beat the Repos by maybe 3% to 5% if they are lucky.
    i doubt the repos can re brand their party fast enough to fool the millennials into thinking they have suddenly evolved 30 years or soo socially.

    note margin of error in polling is around 3 to 5 %
    current polling companies error rate has been around 8%
    given the addition
    top end
    8% plus 2% roughly
    is going to be more than the margin to win by(im guessing around 5% to 7%)
    with margin of error of polling coming in between 5 & 9 %
     
  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    We are reminded that Paul Manafort is the main guy responsible for getting Mike Pence his current job. (Kushner wanted Christie out, but anybody else would probably have been fine) Very few people know exactly why Manafort wanted Pence in the VP slot - but that group probably includes Mueller's team, now.
     
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  22. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    When you're 10 minutes late delivering a pizza, you get chewed out by everyone involved and your career aspirations are immediately jeopardized. When you get caught colluding with a hostile nuclear dictatorship to undermine your own country's democratic process and jeopardize national security, you get to dick around for months.
     
  23. geordief Registered Senior Member

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    That's a bit like when you owe the bank a few thousand euros and you are in trouble;owe them millions and its their problem.
     

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