the real collusion investigation.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Beaconator, May 15, 2019.

  1. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

    After the end of the Mueller investigation the president ordered an investigation into the origin of collusion against himself.

    Now we don't know much about this investigation yet.

    Except the evidence that was supposed to be used against the president has backfired.

    Why? Because no amount of evidence can replace good character.

    Throughout history bad evidence has always been used in collusion with evil and greed to displace good character. The French vs the templars, Jesus vs the Romans, and innumerable haneous unnamed accounts that use imagined evidence or corruption of the ignorant for their own gains of power.

    So be careful with the roads that lead to power. They are long, winding, and full of evidence that does not explain its intent.
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Which shows that the President did not stop obstructing justice, as detailed in the Mueller report, but has continued to do so despite being found out.
    We know that it is obstruction of justice.
    And we know that it is not an investigation.
    It's still there, whenever anyone gets around to enforcing the law and doing their job.
    Of course criminal behavior, treason, betrayal of one's country, and violation of one's oath of office, do not "replace" good character.
    No one expects them to.
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  5. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

    Are you suggesting that Trump has good character? Because the evidence - from a wide variety of sources besides the Mueller investigation - shows that he does not.
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

    I don't think it backfired at all. The evidence revealed that Trump solicited help from the Russians, he promised them a reward, and they did in fact help him. That's important to know. In addition, a great many criminals were indicted, arrested and in many cases removed from their positions in government, which is a very good thing. We even indicted quite a few Russians who attacked the US, which is also a good thing.

    In fact, in a rarity for any government investigation, it actually made money for the US. Win-win.
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  8. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

    Sources? In order to judge a mans character you simply take a look at them if you can. In an instant you decide if you like them or not.

    But true judges see in that instant what lengths a man would go. And good judges study before making decisions

    And it is upon that means alone I have decided the mans "good" character.

    There is nothing he would hide from me. His opponents on the other hand have a great many secrets. Including this very pungent reality.

    Therefore his greatest strength is also his most vicious weakness. "The inability to lie. " a sign of a "good" character.
    Yet you still see "blind faith" and ill tell you this is not true. He would not lie about life or death situations concerning his people. He would not lie about monetary concerns.

    And above all he would lie to his enemies through the faces of his friends. Yet he doesn't appear to be making any enemies
  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    Salem witch trials have begun

    would not be happening if he was spending his own personal money to do it.

    it has become an extension of rich people making poor working class suffer as they set fire to the poor working class money for entertainment.

    regardless of the veracity of the claims
    the entire process has been lining the pockets of the rich elite with the poor working class taxes when they have no universal health care.
    the flagrant disregard for liberty & freedom by many on both sides tends to sour my opinion.

    what women below the age of 50 would want to live in Alabama ?
    maybe they can give free green-cards to foreign non-english-speaking gay men to come and live & work there to replace all the women.
    its all perfectly sane im sure
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  10. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    #trumpswindle | #WhatTheyVotedFor

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    Click because it is you. Oh, yeah.

    Magick? Phrenology? Prejudice?

    Palmistry? I mean, those hands, y'know. No man with such little hands could ever be dishonest.
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  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    He's ripping you off, as he has thousands of ordinary citizens throughout his life.
    He lies about both of those things every week, and has for years. The lies about money are standing jokes, Baghdad Bob stuff.

    Did you know that, or was that hidden from you?
  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    there is so little to go on ! (drum-roll)

    it appears that wendyssswineflusandwich is quoting someone.
    whom im not so sure.
    i recognize the prose quite clearly.
    i cant be bothered looking for it.
    im sure one of the members will recognize the theme of the writer.

    possibly benjamin franklin
  13. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    I got a bid nervous when Trump brought that draft dodging chicken hawk Bolton into the administration.
    Is Trump just using him as a foil?
  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    is tucker carlson trying to hedge the young republican anti-war vote ?
    public insurance policy to say "i told you so" against bolton if some military action backfires

    tucker carslon must be a paid sock puppet of the republican marketing managers
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  15. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

    He spent his own money in order to get elected.

    And I'm pretty sure he isn't against gay rights or justice for those who have actually been bashed.
  16. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    Are young republicans mostly antiwar?
  17. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

    Taunting is unbecoming of a moderator. So is evasion.

    From what I hear Trump appreciates the working man.

    If you wish to have an argument its actually philosophy I have studied. Good and evil.

    While you fill the record with misleading terms like most politicians.
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  18. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    i am 100% sure Donald is not personally against gay rights.
    that doesn't mean that the republican party wont force moves against gay rights.
    that has been shown very clearly in the toilet id challenge debate of toilet gender wars that played out a year or 2 back.

    so that as a point of argument has no contention.

    rich people are spending their own money all the time
    they are also getting stuff for free a lot of the time.

    the sad fact that the american model of democracy is just a dash-for-cash seems to be a sad fact of the lack of regulation the society has.

    to a rich business person is, paying for the taxi to go down the road to a free event worth thousands of dollars.
    they are keenly aware of what is incoming and what is outgoing money.
    what comes from their account & they later claim back
    and what comes from others accounts

    comprehending and being able to manage and use that complex system is what makes people very rich.

    none of the presidential candidates would have NOT spent some of their own money.

    my real point is about the massive disparity between working class poor and the use of their tax money being spent on over paid elitist people(regardless where they sit politically) who can afford to pay for their own health care and education.

    if this was a private liable suit then he would be probably getting free legal work tallying up to hundreds of thousands of dollars being done pro-bono by some company hoping to make millions by free advertising and business connections.
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  19. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    city working below the age of 40 yes absolutely
    they are in reality new age libertarians who are forced to vote left or right.
    they are categorically anti war while being uncomfortably pro defense.
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  20. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

    I doubt he ever ripped off an "ordinary" citizen. That's the job of lawyers
  21. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    ok then
    nice to read that some young folks are antiwar
  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    the manipulation is in the anti-war vs anti-bully-victim by being the first to attack someone.

    that part of social culture has been around for thousands of years and unlikely to suddenly change.

    wegs civilised it with her thread
    "is it better to apologize afterward than ask for permission"

    America still culturally validates the "if you look weak its legitimately ok to be targeted"
    it is an odd transference of social psychology(played out in most other societys in varying forms and severity)
    it is not unique, but its mix is uniquely concocted
  23. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

    If someone told me in the absence of justice I was obstructing justice, I would seek to restore justice.

    I've met these muller types personally. They aren't people you want to get in bed with. You ever heard him speak? No you haven't.
    he isn't transparent at all and believes a steak smells like a pizza because he smokes soo much. Smokes crack to make himself skinny and changes his appearance constantly. Try a hair to local test on the psychopath or better yet keep using the tape of him to uncover his evil Chinese fishing buddies.

    Comey has a better appearance in my mind. Might have lied but did so in a semitransparent manner, probably in order to keep rooting out corruption.

    Even the attorney general Bar alluded some of Mueller's content was than objective.

    So yeah. That's what I suspect of Mueller and anyone who supports him is foolish.

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