The most uncivilized people on earth?

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Stryder said:
You do realise that "Uncivilized" appears to some to be an excuse for "Racism". Tarring an entire people because they aren't the same as you or follow the same laws you do doesn't exactly prove you are any more civilized than them.

In essence there has been no "uncivilized" people in millenniums en-mass. There might be a few hermits that lack social skills or prefer to be away from people, but even that doesn't necessarily make them uncivilized.

It probably would have made more sense to ask questions like:
Who are the most evil people?
Who are the most cruel people?
Who are the most corrupt people?
Who are the most rude people?

But state that "People" just means a collective of individuals that aren't necessarily directly affiliated with one another, let alone related.
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Yeah alright, 'civilised' is a relative term. Different cultures never really understand eachother, but it doesn't mean that our way is better than their way. Science is only our Western society's version of the creation myth, right?

But is it really? In a civilised society we can expect infant mortality not to be through the roof, or most women not to die in childbirth. We can expect sewage systems that don't just involve shitting and drinking from the same untreated stream. We can expect people to have a basic knowledge of sexual and general health. We can expect proper education and basic levels of literacy in the general population

There was a time when the East was much more civilised than the West, and whilst the printing press was being invented in China the English were still being wiped out by the plague and waging war with virtually every surrounding nation.

However, there are groups of people on this earth who have always lived a primitive existence. It's all very well saying how a simpler way of life is just a part of their culture, but I wonder if you and the proponents of your argument could really endure the kind of life they lead there.
 
The word "civilization" has a fairly precise meaning in anthropology. It refers to the level of human social and technological development during which:
  • People lived in permanent settlements so large that all of the residents may not have been personally acquainted.
  • Agriculture (the twin technologies of farming and animal husbandry) provided virtually all of the food.
  • The settlements traded goods and services with each other.
Civilization followed the Neolithic Era; the Dawn of Civilization was the second Paradigm Shift, after the Agricultural Revolution.

Not all writers agree on the number of Paradigm Shifts: Toffler counts only three and ignores this one as well as the Bronze Age and Iron Age, but I count six. A Paradigm Shift is a wrenching, fundamental change in the way humans relate to each other and to the universe. In civilization, people had to learn to live in harmony and cooperation with total strangers, which conflicts with our instinct to only trust and care for a small clan of people we have known intimately since birth. A Paradigm Shift is a major step in our transcendence over internal and/or external nature.

So to say that a society is not civilized is merely to say that its groups are small enough that everyone knows everyone else, even if not intimately. Obviously this applies to Paleolithic humans who lived in small extended-family units without permanent settlements, but it also applies to larger Neolithic groups with permanent settlements that were typically too small to have agriculture of maximum productivity, and therefore had to augment their diet at times by hunting and gathering. Most human labor was allocated to assuring adequate nutrition and other basic needs, so there was not much surplus productivity, and tribes had very few non-essential goods and services to trade with each other.
 
As well, they have strange and peculiar fetishes in many of those asian countries. For example, a popular sexual fetish in China is the "crush fetish" in which asian women wearing high-heeled shoes stomp on fruit, toothpaste tubes, and then work their way up to bunnies, kittens, and puppies, and then they videotape it so that they (and others) can masturbate to the video later. Those are called chinese crush videos. There are even rumors that a few of those girls have stepped on some humans, killing them. In those cultural sinkholes, they have a whole different (and in my carefully considered opinion, less developed) attitude toward how animals -- and indeed, all life -- should be treated than we do.

Some of those countries may have modern amenities but that is merely a veneer for the brutal mentality that still exists in those places, which thrive predominantly off borrowed technology that they themselves did not develop.
 
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Gee, Will, racist much?

It's not like we don't do freaky stuff in the sack-S&m, furries, plushies, golden showers, scat-play, bestiality AND our own crush videos... we also factory-farm and bomb other countries...

So watch where you're swinging that tar-brush, it splatters.

China is starting to innovate...it's just that they take the approach that it's cheaper to swipe it from us if they can, which is logical, if ethically questionable.
 
I can only reiterate that Burma has deviated a long way from what we consider to be civillised. It's a disease ridden jungle hell-hole that seems to have been forgotten by modernity. This is a brief synopsis of the situation there:

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...FdIVTY-1XyZhjhRmA&sig2=Q27w8zOTDLPNv4aVj5D8UA

I can hardly think of a more deserving candidate. Many of the abuses cannot even be recorded because journalism is severely impeded, to the piont of death. At least China is making an effort to address its problems, albeit slowly.
 
"Dr. Robert M. Bowman, a retired Lieutenant Colonel from the USA Air Force, in an open letter to the USA President, George W Bush (2001):

"We are not hated because we practice democracy, freedom, and human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in third world countries whose resources are coveted by our multinational corporations. And that hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism..."

"We are the target of terrorists because we stand for dictatorship, bondage, and human exploitation in the world. We are the target of terrorists because we are hated. And we are hated because our government has done hateful things. In how many countries have we deposed popularly elected leaders and replaced them with puppet military dictators who were willing to sell out their own people to American multinational corporations"

http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa.html
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as usual, it's the asian or african countries but all other countries are usually ignored.

it's prejudice and bias but that's okay because it can be returned. the west can be demonized too.

think about how totally nonsensical the responses have been. there have been stats published but it's ignored in favor of people's particular dislike or negative interest in a particular culture, country or race.


As well, they have strange and peculiar fetishes in many of those asian countries. For example, a popular sexual fetish in China is the "crush fetish" in which asian women wearing high-heeled shoes stomp on fruit, toothpaste tubes, and then work their way up to bunnies, kittens, and puppies, and then they videotape it so that they (and others) can masturbate to the video later. Those are called chinese crush videos. There are even rumors that a few of those girls have stepped on some humans, killing them. In those cultural sinkholes, they have a whole different (and in my carefully considered opinion, less developed) attitude toward how animals -- and indeed, all life -- should be treated than we do.

Some of those countries may have modern amenities but that is merely a veneer for the brutal mentality that still exists in those places, which thrive predominantly off borrowed technology that they themselves did not develop.
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you never answered why you focus on asian countries to the exclusion of most other places because you know you can't legitmately qualify it. you can only pinpoint certain things you dislike that certain people in these countries engage in while there are atrocities commited by people in many cultures and countries.

that's blatant intellectual dishonesty, even character-wise. how about that for a reality-check?!

your opinion isn't "carefully" considered, it's hypocritical. actually it's akin to near insanity and utter denial. there are places in the world where they kill women and children for the most trivial reasons or religious related, constant warring and bombings and torturing of humans, marry animals and little children and these people just focus on east-asia as if the only uncivilized things occur there???????? you guys have to be punking someone because that is just ludicrous to ignore that. i would like to send you to pakistan, afghanistan, israel or iraq for vacation. maybe you can witness a live stoning, flogging, or burning people alive and have a good time.

so, it's only "asian" countries that have a "brutal mentality" and have different attitudes on how life should be treated??? only asian cultures??? you just can't be serious, that's not even technically correct. are you not aware of all the atrocities and practices in other culture or countries??? are you that dense?
 
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China had bureacracy when my ancestors were still painting themselves blue and decorating their hut's fireplaces with the slain skulls of enemies...

(Which I'd be perfectly happy doing myself-pass the woad pot?)

The reason Africa is so chaotic is due to the aftereffects of mass kidnappings-slavery-and the aftereffects of a colonialism that was only more brutally enacted in the United States-where we practiced almost complete genocide, taking the Native American population from an estimated 20 million to less than 1 Million in roughly 200 years of colonization.
 
birch said:
as usual, it's the asian or african countries but all other countries are usually ignored.

it's prejudice and bias but that's okay because it can be returned. the west can be demonized too.

think about how totally nonsensical the responses have been. there have been stats published but it's ignored in favor of people's particular dislike or negative interest in a particular culture, country or race.




you never answered why you focus on asian countries to the exclusion of most other places because you know you can't legitmately qualify it. you can only pinpoint certain things you dislike that certain people in these countries engage in while there are atrocities commited by people in many cultures and countries.

that's blatant intellectual dishonesty, even character-wise. how about that for a reality-check?!

your opinion isn't "carefully" considered, it's hypocritical. actually it's akin to near insanity and utter denial. there are places in the world where they kill women and children for the most trivial reasons or religious related, constant warring and bombings and torturing of humans, marry animals and little children and these people just focus on east-asia as if the only uncivilized things occur there???????? you guys have to be punking someone because that is just ludicrous to ignore that. i would like to send you to pakistan, afghanistan, israel or iraq for vacation. maybe you can witness a live stoning, flogging, or burning people alive and have a good time.
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Try reading post46. Plenty of informed analysis in my link (had you been bothered to read it), but no. Here we go a-trolling again
 
ULTRA said:
Try reading post46. Plenty of informed analysis in my link (had you been bothered to read it), but no. Here we go a-trolling again
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the only person who hasn not been trolling this thread is me, chimpkin and fraggle-rocker. grow a semblance of an honest bone in your body before you spout off. interesting that you accuse me of trolling when i'm not the troll in this thread. what does that say about your judgement or lack of it?

if you think i've been trolling, then you can't be taken seriously either.

i've brought sanity to this thread and so has chimpkin.

it is utterly rediculous to focus just on asian countries considering the horrendous amounts of barbaric shit that goes on in other cultures and in other countries besides them. it's almost crazy but it's probably because asia is viewed more as a threat because of china. that still doesn't make it correct though.

i'm just a little curious why people, not just you, are more interested in asian countries than others. even though you pick burma, there is a lot of other countries with drastic frigging problems as well as tremendous human rights violations. it's kind of puzzling honestly.
 
WillNever said:
Most of Southeast Asia.

Some really horrible countries:

China
Taiwan
Hong Kong
Korea
Malaysia
Phillipines
Viet Nam
Thailand
Singapore
And yes, those scamming bastards in Nigeria

Basically, these countries are some of the world's worst human rights abusers currently. They also have hands down some of the highest rates of human trafficking in world history.
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Which ones of these place have you been to?
 
ULTRA said:
I don't care about the rest of Asia. The human rights abuses in Burma make the rest look like a holiday camp.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...FdIVTY-1XyZhjhRmA&sig2=Q27w8zOTDLPNv4aVj5D8UA

Have a look, then tell me what there is that is possibly commendable..
If you'll take an oblective view, I'll retract.
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i AM taking an objective view. i'm not looking through one peephole but at the larger world. you are more narrowly focused. you need a basic education. what happens in burma make the rest look like a holiday camp? why are you exageratting in relation to other places? i can understand that there are reasons but you seem to think what occurs there is unique which is not the case. yes, they are one of the worst with problems but they are not the only ones with these issues. you seem to think they are which means you are rather ignorant of the barbaric practices, oppression, mutiliations, torturing, and killings in many places.

seriously, how can anyone be this dumb to think what occurs in burma is unique?
 
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WillNever said:
As well, they have strange and peculiar fetishes in many of those asian countries. For example, a popular sexual fetish in China is the "crush fetish" in which asian women wearing high-heeled shoes stomp on fruit, toothpaste tubes, and then work their way up to bunnies, kittens, and puppies, and then they videotape it so that they (and others) can masturbate to the video later. Those are called chinese crush videos. There are even rumors that a few of those girls have stepped on some humans, killing them. In those cultural sinkholes, they have a whole different (and in my carefully considered opinion, less developed) attitude toward how animals -- and indeed, all life -- should be treated than we do.
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People have strange and peculiar fetishes in every country. Europe and USA are of no exception.

You are clearly talking out of your arse.
 
Non . I haven't been to any of those countries . Bikers is my best answer to the o.p . ( did I use that right ? ) You computer geeks drive Me crazy . Now I think it is not carpenters at all or Musicians , but it might be computer geeks and book worms . Yeah book worms can be some of the nastys of the nastys . Just the implication of worm says it all. Just Joking I love all of you . I like books
 
birch said:
you need a basic education. what happens in burma make the rest look like a holiday camp? why are you exageratting in relation to other places? i can understand that there are reasons to but you seem to think what occurs there is the worst and unique which is not the case. yes, they are one of the worst with problems but they are not the only ones with these issues. you seem to think they are which means you are rather ignorant of the barbaric practices, oppression, mutiliations, torturing, and killings in many places.
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If you read the damn article you would see about the routine extrajudicial killings, people being tortured routinely, 20 year jail terms for critisizing the junta, the murder of journalists, the forced labour camps, the civillians forced to carry ammunition in conflict zones etc. etc. etc.
But no, you'd rather stay ignorant and spout bullshit as per usual.
 
ULTRA said:
If you read the damn article you would see about the routine extrajudicial killings, people being tortured routinely, 20 year jail terms for critisizing the junta, the murder of journalists, the forced labour camps, the civillians forced to carry ammunition in conflict zones etc. etc. etc.
But no, you'd rather stay ignorant and spout bullshit as per usual.
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why is it i'm accused of being ignorant and why are you angry at me? if you care about spouting bullshit then why didn't you address willnever's post? see, that proves you are full of it.

how is someone supposed to take you seriously that you are being honest if you ignore the more erroneous posts in favor of attacking ones that aren't as much and call them trolling? that really makes you the troll who seems to have an agenda. that's pretty dishonest and despicable.

you need to learn how to use logic when making a point. we weren't disputing that occurs. it is just ignorant to think these things aren't occuring in other places. you just happened to pick the one you are interested in but the link i posted was more comprehensive.

i still don't understand why the middle-east and south america are so ignored. are these people not important to the west?

is what happens in asian countries more important to fix?
 
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