The mechanism of comet formation

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  1. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Why won't you address any of the questions asked of you?
    This is a discussion forum, it is not your pseudoscience blog.
     
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  3. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Except comets do not originate from unstable planet satellites.
    THIRD time of asking, why offer a citation as part of your OP claim, when that citation contradicts your claim?
     
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  5. Fermer05 Registered Senior Member

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    In the new moon phase, when the orbital velocities of the planet and satellite are equal, the centrifugal force acting on the satellite from the Sun is zero.
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    In the new moon phase, when considering the frame of reference of the sun, the orbital velocities of the planet and satellite are NOT equal.
    It's always zero. There's no such thing as centrifugal force as a separate force. What you think of as centrifugal force is simply Newton's First Law in action; an object will not change its motion unless a force acts on it. A moon above a planet will be drawn towards the planet via its gravity. If it is moving fast enough relative to the planet, it will always "miss" - it will be pulled down, but by the time it starts moving downward significantly, it has moved to a different part of the planet. Thus the various gravitational forces sum to zero over the course of an orbit, and it does not move out of that orbit.

    The only force that the moon (or the Earth) sees is gravity.
     
  8. Fermer05 Registered Senior Member

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    The Moon and Earth see and feel more powers than we think.
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    This is a science forum.
     
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  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    What's the point of making completely unevidenced, ridiculous claims like that, on a science forum?
     
  11. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    I gave you three chances.
    Reported.
    Getting bored of you making this stupid crap up as you go along.
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Aaaaand - away we go into woo-land.

    Let me try. The moon is made of cheese, and since everyone likes cheese, the moon is intentionally staying out of reach of people so they won't eat it. It's scared, you see, which is why it stays above 100 feet so no one can use a ladder to reach it. That's really the only logical explanation.
     
  13. Fermer05 Registered Senior Member

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    I edited the hypothesis again, I hope this time YOU will understand it.
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Dude. It's just wrong. Never mind your hypothesis, the ideas you base it on are demonstrably not true.


    Here's some examples:

    We have zero evidence of any moon breaking away from its orbit spontaneously. It defies the laws of physics.

    Here is Pluto's compared to the rest of the planets:

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    Pluto has an eccentrivity of .25, which is not much more than Mercury's .21.
     
  15. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    We understand what you are saying and we are saying that you are wrong.
     
  16. Fermer05 Registered Senior Member

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    Halley's Comet moves around the Sun in a highly elongated orbit. Perhaps Halley's comet, revolving around a small planet, entered an orbital resonance with the planet and fell out of orbit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_planet
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps. Great word, that.

    Perhaps unicorns used it as a chariot.
     
  18. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    Much more likely: It originated in the Oort cloud and had its orbit disturbed to one that passed through the inner solar system. Then, on one of its subsequent passes, a close encounter with one of the gas giants altered its orbit into one with a shorter period.
     
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  19. Fermer05 Registered Senior Member

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    When the axial and orbital speed of the satellite reaches a critical point, the satellite, having the properties of a gyroscope, overturns, due to which the synchronous rotation of the satellite is transformed into asynchronous.

    During a satellite capsize, a centrifugal force appears, due to which the satellite breaks into fragments, like the Shoemaker-Levy comet.
    Further, one part of the satellite fragments leaves orbit, and the other crashes into the planet.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Shoemaker–Levy_9
    Perhaps the asteroid belt was formed from the torn apart satellites of Jupiter; the asteroid belt may be located next to Saturn.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt
    Asteroids, rotating around their axis and in orbit, periodically collide with meteorites, due to which the asteroid, having the properties of a gyroscope, first sways due to a violation of the center of mass, and then overturns, leaves orbit and moves towards the Sun.
    The above can be easily verified by experiment.
    The stability of the orbits of planetary satellites is reduced by orbital resonance and eccentricity.
    Perhaps the gyroscope has other unstudied properties, one of them is the Dzhanibekov effect. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_resonance
    Anticyclones also have gyroscope properties, due to which anticyclones are blocked.
    http://meteoweb.ru/2018/phen20180730.php

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  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed, I have an anticyclone blocker installed right now. So far, it's working pretty well, at least hereabouts.
     
  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    You're using words you don't understand here.
    No. Shoemaker-Levy disintegrated due to tidal, not centrifugal, "force." Force is in quotes because neither is a true force; it is the result of other forces acting on the body (like momentum and gravity.)
    No. Even during a tidal disintegration, all the fragments generally either hit the planet or continue in their orbit, depending on the original orbit.
    But the asteroid belt is NOT located next to Saturn, so your theory doesn't hold. In addition, the most likely 'origin story' for the asteroid belt is that they are simply fragments left over from the original formation of the solar system; the presence of Jupiter perturbed their orbits enough that they could never coalesce into planets as fragments in the other parts of the Solar System did.
    Meteorites are bodies that came from planetary space and impacted the Earth. You are thinking of meteoroids, which are small bodies still in space.
    Again, no. If that does happen (an asteroid's spin increases enough) it will tend to separate into pieces, each one following a nearly identical orbit to the original bodies. No "falling into the Sun."
    A mishmash of errors, incorrect terms, partially understood physics and unrelated Youtube videos.
     
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  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    But how could that be?

    Fermer has an entire academic team working on this stuff, don't you know?
     
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  23. Fermer05 Registered Senior Member

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    The Sun's gravity will not be able to tear Mercury apart, because the tidal force is too small and depends on the diameter of the planet, and not on the distance from the Sun to the planet. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_force
    The Sun's gravity will only be able to tear Mercury apart if Mercury begins to wobble and then topple over.
     
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