The first experimental measurement of God; to a 2-decimal point accuracy

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hence – prayer actually works !
Evidence, please?
Support your claim.
It has long been known that prayer and meditation can "reshape" a brain - in that it can strengthen certain neural pathways, can increase activity in certain areas that (like any muscle) can increase that area, but if those have no impact on what is being prayed for, how do you conclude that "prayer actually works"?
See, once again, without providing the necessary support for your claims, you seem to just be taking two things and trying to link them, without any actual thought behind what you're doing.
And you're hoping noone notices.
you have to pay attention to the operational definition of the word "EXISTENCE".
No, you, have to stop altering the definitions of words to suit you.
The word "existence" has no operational definition without the existence of a human mind.
Yes, it does.
The universe existed before any human mind was here to experience it.
That's what the science says.
You know what science is, right?
Therefore it is "absolutely impossible" for anything whatsoever to claim that it "existed" before Man came into being.
No, it's not.
Oh, unless you're an advocate of Heisenberg's "things don't exist unless observed" type of interpretation of Quantum Mechanics?
If you want to philosophise, not a problem, but it really isn't conducive to a scientific "proof".
Therefore your statement that the world "existed 13 billion years before Man". Cannot be correct.
Alternatively, you are not correct, and the universe really did exist 13 billion years before humans.
And take it from a –
From a... what?
A crank?
A dishonest charlatan?
this latter statement is correct – it is not a word game.
It's not correct, and all you've tried to do is play your game with semantics.
What you are saying is "if someone hypothetically was around to see it 10 billion years ago – he would have seen it".
And if that is true then there must have been something for him to have seen, right?
Hence the universe must have existed.
If it does not exist then it has no potential to be observed.
By anything.
It's simple language here, Mr. Hammond.
No amount of you trying to alter it will improve your position.
But that's a hypothetical statement it has no "operational meaning" is actually more accurate to say "that a 13 billion year history was "created" in the human mind 1 million years ago when the human mind came into being.
Please stop with the redefining of terms, Mr. Hammond.
Saying the world is "13 billion years old" – is only speaking in a functionally necessary shorthand !
No, it's adhering to the science, and the scientific usage of terms.
Can you do that?

C'est la vie.
 
There is no single person in the world besides myself who is capable of "evaluating" this theory – not even Bill Dembski (intelligent design) who has 3 or 4 PhD's.
Yet some supposedly unqualified buffoons in this forum have analysed it sufficiently to know that it is garbage.
Go figure.

It would take a panel of scientists: –
1 or 2 physicists
2 or 3 psychometrists
1 or 2 neuropsychologists
1 embryology expert
a couple of theologians
(Jewish, Catholic, Lutheran
at a minimum)
and others
:rolleyes: Delusions of grandeur much?
Okay – that's not going to happen so 2nd option
is to publish it in preferably something like: –

The Transactions of the Royal Society
Nature

or even:
Scientific American

I tried Scientific American but the editor-in-chief
Mike LaMonic responded in 10 minutes by email
"No thanks" – to which I responded "Shrug"

So that's not gonna happen –
No, they're respectable and tend not to publish unsupported garbage from cranks.
Finally – I COULD publish it in PLOS –1 which is peer-reviewed and I could even afford the APC charges of 1300 since Uncle Sam sent me a 1400 Covid relief check which I haven't spent yet – and I'd have enough left over for a carton of Camels

But then it would wind up buried in the 1000 papers a week that PLOS–1 publishes and no one would notice it for 20 years – until it was discovered by someone else – sort of like Gregor Mendel's famous genetics paper.
Yet more delusions of grandeur.
You know it's a symptom of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), right?
NPD: "a mental health diagnosis listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). A narcissistic personality may cause people to greatly overestimate their own importance and believe in their own uniqueness."
Sound familiar?
So here I am on Sciforums on another ocean voyage to nowhere with continuous squalls every day and rapidly approaching the latitude of the Doldrums.
That's often what happens when you set out without the necessary equipment to support your travels, and are too arrogant / stupid / dishonest to turn back.

I'm betting you just get a kick from the attention, that responding to the criticisms of the garbage you write gives you a little hit of endorphins, and gives you something to actually do during the day.
'Cos you're demonstrably not to here to seriously and honestly look at your "proof".
 
Fortunately, my solution to an age-old question is available for study and falsification, whereas your hypothesis is considerably more ambitious in scope.
And lacks scientific support and rigour, often lacks even logic, and the claimant lacks any honesty to address the challenges raised against it.
You really shouldn't sympathise.
Whereas you set off with good intentions, and are manfully struggling on your way, Mr. Hammond simply set off with just a picture of his destination.
No support, no apparent ability to navigate, no willingness to counter challenges along the way.
And he wonders why people point and laugh as he flounders in the shallows not 10 feet from where he set off.
No, you do him entirely too much credit.
 
[GE Hammond MS physics]

Are you a stalker Baldeee ?

Apparently you're in a foreign country
Australia or England etc. since you use the
colloquial word "workings" instead of the
normal academic term "derivation".

Don't start stalking me –

I've got the FBI
on speed dial !


George
 
[GE Hammond MS physics]

Are you a stalker Baldeee ?

Apparently you're in a foreign country
Australia or England etc. since you use the
colloquial word "workings" instead of the
normal academic term "derivation".

Don't start stalking me –

I've got the FBI
on speed dial !


George

Laugh Out Loud!

Does the FBI answer when they see your number come up on caller ID? They are probably watching YOU!

...and let me get this straight...

You post some bullshit on a forum, and anyone that responds letting you know you're full of shit is a stalker stalking you?

Laughing my F'n Ass Off!!!

Oh, one more thing...

When are you gonna comment on what I had to say on that Speed-Talk thread about degreeing an asymmetrical cam? Are you not smart enough with all your high degrees???? Didn't they teach you that, or did you skip class that day?

When are you gonna comment on my pic of God that is measured to two decimal places??

MY BS IS BETTER THAN YOURS! (and I'm only a high school grad)

Here's some more proof of that:

https://imgur.com/mBi5tWE

https://imgur.com/7N1p5zz
 
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Are you a stalker Baldeee ?
No.
Are you?
Apparently you're in a foreign country Australia or England etc.
Foreign to you, perhaps, but not to me.
Here we speak and write English.
How about you?
...since you use the colloquial word "workings" instead of the normal academic term "derivation".
"Workings" is also a standard phrase in academia.
At least it is in Oxford and Cambridge, thanks.
And, well, the UK as a whole.
"Derivation" is a subset of "workings".
You derive the general principles / formulae, and then apply them.
The workings include the calculations of specific cases: i.e. to show have you used the formulae / principles correctly.
It may be less used in your part of the world, but the US don't own the English language.
You need to be careful not to judge what is universally "normal" simply by what is "normal" in the US.

I also note that the only thing you can come up with to the continuing criticism of your "proof" are failed attempts to cast aspersions, while also continuing to appeal to authority.
Don't start stalking me –
Don't start assaulting your relatives.
I've got the FBI on speed dial !
I've got the local curry-house on speed dial.
I know who will have the longer conversation and be taken more seriously and get a tastier result.


Do you have anything of actual worth to offer here, or is the Emperor still happy in his new clothes, and his delusions of grandeur?
There seems to be some paranoia creeping in as well, by the way.
Is that new, or have they always been out to get you? ;)
 
Mr. Hammond: what is this value of "God", to 2 decimal point accuracy?
It must surely be a number, right?
You say it has been measured, so what is its value?
Can you even answer that much?
Show the workings, please.

[GE Hammond MS physics]
Okay Baldeee, that's the only competent scientific
question you ever asked – so I will answer it !

"God" is caused by human "growth stunting".
Specifically: growth stunting of the brain.

It is a commonly known fact no one ever
reaches their "full height
and weight". And the fact that this causes "God"
has been known to world leadership for more
than 5000 years, 2000 years for the Vatican and
5000 years in Egypt (since Pharaoh Akhenaton).


It could never be scientifically proved however
until Hammond arrived on the scene.

Scientific measurement of God involves several
different types of measurements:

1. – Most important is the accuracy of Psychometry
measurements verifying the cubic structure of the
(SMOP) (structural model of personality) and
ultimately therefore proving the cubic structure
of the brain – these measurements are accurate to
2 decimal points (IOW 1% accuracy)
it is those measurements that prove the
EXISTENCE OF GOD.


2. – Secondly is the direct physical measurement
of the SIZE of God – and that involves the
measurement of "human growth stunting" on a
worldwide basis. Using CDC, UNICEF, UNESCO,
and WHO data that can be "eyeball" estimated to
be somewhere between 10 and 20%, as a worldwide
population average.

Now obviously, the EXISTENCE of God is of
crucial importance. While the "exact size" of
God is of far lesser importance – it can be estimated
from the data today to probably plus or minus
1 decimal point accuracy (10% accuracy).

So in short the EXISTENCE of God can be measured
to 2 decimal point accuracy – but the ABSOLUTE
SIZE of God using existing data is probably only to
1 decimal point accuracy.

Okay – let's have a look at this WHO, CDC etc.
data on growth stunting and why we only have
a 1 decimal point accuracy there:

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SH.STA.STNT.ZS/rankings

Prevalence of stunting, height for age (% of children under 5) -

Definition: Prevalence of stunting is the percentage of children
under age 5 whose height for age is more than two standard
deviations below the median
Source: UNICEF, WHO, World Bank: Joint child malnutrition
estimates (JME).
Aggregation is based on UNICEF, WHO, and the World Bank
Country Value Year
Burundi 55.90 2016
Eritrea 50.30 2010
Timor-Leste 50.20 2013
Papua New Guinea 49.50 2010
Madagascar 49.20 2009
Yemen 46.50 2013
Guatemala 46.50 2015

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SH.STA.STNT.ZS/rankings/north-america
Country Value Year
Mexico 12.40 2015
United States 2.10 2012

[GE Hammond MS physics]
as you can see – some of the kids in these
Third World countries are growth stunted
up to 50% – the percentage in Mexico is
even 15% – and amazingly it is even as high
as 2% in the United States !

Looking forward to your early reply

George

 
Okay Baldeee, that's the only competent scientific
question you ever asked – so I will answer it !
Far from it, it's just the only one you think you can provide what you think is an answer to.
But, as we shall see, you continue to fail even that.
"God" is caused by human "growth stunting".
Specifically: growth stunting of the brain.
You haven't provided any evidence, or rational support for this assertion (as pointed out previously, repeatedly).

But let's continue...
It is a commonly known fact no one ever reaches their "full height and weight"
"Commonly known"?
By who?
Where is the data, the science, the support for this claim?
How are you judging what someone's "full height and weight" should be?
If you can't determine that, how can you determine that "noone ever reaches" it?

And the fact that this causes "God" has been known to world leadership for more than 5000 years, 2000 years for the Vatican and 5000 years in Egypt (since Pharaoh Akhenaton).
It is not a "fact".
Well, it may be what you call a "fact", but that would just be you altering the definition of words.
Simply put, it is not a fact.
You have simply asserted it.
Please provide the science, the evidence, the support, the argument that leads you to conclude that this is a fact.
Show that the Vatican consider it a fact, or even that the Egyptians did?
And then show not only that they consider it a fact, but that it actually is one?
Can you do that.
It could never be scientifically proved however until Hammond arrived on the scene.
Asserting that you have proved it is not proof.
Scientific measurement of God involves several different types of measurements:
Ok.
1. – Most important is the accuracy of Psychometry
measurements verifying the cubic structure of the
(SMOP) (structural model of personality) and
ultimately therefore proving the cubic structure
of the brain – these measurements are accurate to
2 decimal points (IOW 1% accuracy)
it is those measurements that prove the
EXISTENCE OF GOD.
Where to start:
Unproven claim 1: cubic structure of the SMOP.
Unproven claim 2: cubic structure of the brain.
Unproven claim 3: that 1 proves 2.
Unproven claim 4: that psychometric calculations prove the existence of God.
At best you can claim, with support, that pyschometric research has identified that there is likely a General Factor of Personality (GFP), being the highest order factor that shows correlation between lower orders.
That's all you can do here.

So here you have not shown anything, proven anything, or even explained anything.
Not really a surprise.
All you have actually done is asserted that the GFP is God.
That is not a given.
That is something, you know, you really do have to support.
With science, preferably.
Just claiming it, just asserting it, is not good enough.
2. – Secondly is the direct physical measurement
of the SIZE of God – and that involves the
measurement of "human growth stunting" on a
worldwide basis. Using CDC, UNICEF, UNESCO,
and WHO data that can be "eyeball" estimated to
be somewhere between 10 and 20%, as a worldwide
population average.
...
Okay – let's have a look at this WHO, CDC etc.
data on growth stunting and why we only have
a 1 decimal point accuracy there:
...[/quote]Oh, good grief.

You're attempting to show a "worldwide population average" showing "human growth stunting" (i.e. stunted by) 10-20%, by using data that compares countries to the international reference population (IFP).

First, I note that you have not provided any data for what the reference population is.
Please do so, so that we know what is being compared against.

That's actually a relatively minor quibble by comparison to the next problem, Mr. Hammond: you are taking the % of children that are deemed stunted (2 standard deviations below the median IFP) as the % by which they are stunted.

Do you want to revisit your workings yet??
Or are you really going to push ahead with this garbage?

Now obviously, the EXISTENCE of God is of crucial importance.
I honestly look forward to the day you prove God to actually exist, rather than just assert it, or simply define it into existence (oh, I'll define my chair as "God"!)
While the "exact size" of God is of far lesser importance – it can be estimated from the data today to probably plus or minus 1 decimal point accuracy (10% accuracy).
Notwithstanding your gross error above, of course.

Then, of course, there's the lack of any science whatsoever that links the stunting data to God.
You have, again, asserted there to be a link, have asserted what that link is, but you have failed, again, to actually support those assertions with anything but your confidence.
So in short the EXISTENCE of God can be measured to 2 decimal point accuracy
This is actually meaningless: you don't "measure existence"; things either exist or they don't, and it is their properties that are measured.
If you want to say that you are defining your "God" as the GFP, feel free.
You'll still have much work ahead of you in supporting pretty much all the other claims you've simply asserted, but at least we'll be able to finally put the psychometry aspect to bed (as being pretty much irrelevant).
– but the ABSOLUTE SIZE of God using existing data is probably only to 1 decimal point accuracy.
Notwithstanding the gross error noted above, all you're actually saying is you think "God" is the GFP, and the size of your "God" is the level by which we are stunted compared to the international reference population??
(Although you have the "size of 'God'" as the % of children under the age of 5 that are deemed stunted (due to being malnourished)).

Looking forward to your early reply
I'll leave it there, and see what efforts you come back with to clean up this mess.
Not looking good for you, though, Mr. Hammond, truth be told.
A reply to what you think (incorrectly, mind) is the first competent scientific question from me, and, well, your incompetency rather steals the show.
Ironic, eh.
:rolleyes:
 
Mr. Hammond: you are taking the % of children that are deemed stunted (2 standard deviations below the median IFP) as the % by which they are stunted.

[GE Hammond MS physics]
Don't be ridiculous – I can read
"percentage of the children under 5
who are more than 2 SD stunted
"


When I said:
"some of the kids in these Third World
countries are growth stunted up to 50%
"

I obviously meant "up to 50% of the kids in these
Third World countries are growth stunted.


You've got no scientific credentials and obviously
are scientifically incompetent to even understand
this theory. You wouldn't know statistical variance
from relativistic covariance
.


You think this is a theory
by a scientific simpleton
because you are provably a
scientific simpleton yourself !


The rest of your post is even worth reading.

George
 
But let's continue...

[GE Hammond MS physics]
Perhaps my first reply to your last message was
a bit hasty.

You're obviously not a simpleton – but what I meant
was that your under the impression the theory is
"much simpler" than it actually is – and that is why
your comments appear ludicrously simplistic.

There are several major areas of the theory that
you are apparently not even aware of !

For instance – there is the whole matter of my
discovering (and even peer publishing) the fact
that Gray's well known SHS (septo- hippocampal
system) confirms NEUROLOGICALLY how my
13 axis cubic brain produces 13 personality types.

And beyond that – you're really not aware of
the psychometric proof of the 13 axis cube
of the SMOP (structural model of personality)
which I explained the proof of in posts #963,
964 and 966 – which I mentioned to you several
times and you completely ignored.

It is FAR, FAR MORE IMPORTANT to comprehend
the entire theory – that it is present a high school
science level "line item critique" of a huge
as yet uncomprehended theory..

Of course my suspicion is – that you have no intention
of getting at the TRUTH
– and as a matter of fact your
intention is exactly the opposite – to OBFUSCATE the
truth
– because you feel very comfortable and successful
WITHOUT a God – and we are very aware of people like
you.

But I can assure you that no level of OBFUSCATION will
ever prevail against a world full of people who absolutely
WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF
THERE REALLY IS A GOD


George
 
Don't be ridiculous – I can read "percentage of the children under 5 who are more than 2 SD stunted"
Reading, understanding, and using correctly, are three different things.
When I said: "some of the kids in these Third World countries are growth stunted up to 50% "

I obviously meant "up to 50% of the kids in these Third World countries are growth stunted.
Ok, but then you're simply using data that has no bearing on the conclusions you're looking to reach from it.
To wit:
You have tried to use that data to support your assertion that humans are, on average, 10-20% stunted - i.e. their "phenotype" is c.15% under-developed compared to their "genotype".
Which you then tried to link to the claim that this ties in to the same 15% of the brain that operates at a subconscious level.
You tried to offer support for this c.15% assertion of growth stunting, but all you've done is provide support for maybe that % of children aged 0-5 being stunted.
Nothing about the degree of stunting.

So not only are you demonstrably incompetent, you are clearly dishonest in your making excuses that it was only a slip of the keyboard.
Ah, well.
You've got no scientific credentials ...
So you keep asserting, and so you keep appealing to authority, despite knowing that it's fallacious to do so, making you either stupid (to continue doing it) or dishonest... and likely both.
... and obviously are scientifically incompetent to even understand this theory.
"Theory" or "proof"?
You increasingly flip-flop between the two.
Given the array of errors in facts and logic that have so far been uncovered, I'm not doing too badly for someone you claim is "scientifically incompetent".
You wouldn't know statistical variance from relativistic covariance.
If you want to think that, feel free.
You think this is a theory by a scientific simpleton because you are provably a scientific simpleton yourself !
1. No, I don't think it's written by a scientific simpleton, only by someone who demonstrably doesn't know how to link disparate ideas together coherently, validly, or with any support, and by someone who is too invested in what they have so far written that they aren't open to accepting the glaring flaws and issues in it that other people identify.
I think it is therefore written by a crank, and a dishonest one at that.
2. Given you are seemingly unable to address any of the issues that I, a "scientific simpleton", have raised, it doesn't speak much for your own competence, does it.
3. Whether or not I am such a simpleton, relying on that assessment, and your belief that I lack scientific credentials, to dismiss any/all of my points, is, as you know, a fallacious appeal to authority.

The rest of your post is even worth reading.
Said the dishonest crank who doesn't want to confront the glaring flaws in the "proof" (or is it just a theory) that he's spent years developing.
Perhaps my first reply to your last message was a bit hasty.

You're obviously not a simpleton – but what I meant was that your under the impression the theory is "much simpler" than it actually is – and that is why your comments appear ludicrously simplistic.
It is simple.
The underlying science that other people have conducted isn't simple, but your "theory" actually is, once you get past the complexity of the detail that you're trying to link.
See, your "theory" is those links, and that makes it surprisingly simple.
You take outputs from the individual complex areas and equate them, but do so with no logic, no support, no reasonable argument whatsoever.
Sure, you understand pscyhometrics to a point, but ultimately the entire psychometric content of your "proof"/"theory" comes down to the identification of the GFP.
You link that to "God" - and even more to "God of the Bible" - yet you offer nothing scientific, no research, no analysis, no reasonable argument as to why that link should be granted.
You try to wave your hands that it's all contained in the complexity of the underlying work that others have done... but it really isn't.
Your "theory"/"proof" requires you to actually provide the details to convince people of the validity of those links.
Not rely on claims that it is "obvious", "clear", "intuitive" etc, as you do throughout.

No, your theory is surprisingly simple.
Which makes it easy to spot that it's actually garbage.
And until you address the reasons why it is considered garbage, and convince that there really are links where you assert, through actual science, valid reasoning etc, then it will continue to be considered garbage.
There are several major areas of the theory that you are apparently not even aware of !
Possible, although I think I have addressed most of what you have put in your "proof" in the OP, at least.
For instance – there is the whole matter of my discovering (and even peer publishing) the fact that Gray's well known SHS (septo- hippocampal system) confirms NEUROLOGICALLY how my 13 axis cubic brain produces 13 personality types.
I have already addressed this in #965.
In summary: you have done nothing of the sort, but, once again, merely claimed that you have.
Your paper, if it is the one you have already linked, also does no such thing.
If it is in another paper, please link that one.
And beyond that – you're really not aware of the psychometric proof of the 13 axis cube of the SMOP (structural model of personality) which I explained the proof of in posts #963, 964 and 966 – which I mentioned to you several times and you completely ignored.
No, I addressed all that in #988, and why it is still all garbage with regard what you're trying to do.
It is FAR, FAR MORE IMPORTANT to comprehend the entire theory – that it is present a high school science level "line item critique" of a huge as yet uncomprehended theory..
No, it's not important to comprehend the entire theory.
That is an appeal to complexity, and is fallacious.
Errors in the various parts do two things: 1. show that there are errors, and that the conclusions from those parts are therefore unsound/invalid; 2. speak to the lack of rigour of the author.
The subsequent attempt to brush over, evade, ignore those errors and criticisms speak further to the character of the author.
What is more, if it had been one or two small errors then okay, but it is almost every single link you try to make that seems to be prone to error.
One does not need to understand the entirety to know that garbage is garbage.
The intention of carrying water to the thirsty might be honourable, but if the bottom of the bucket is so full of holes that it doesn't do what you claim, one doesn't need to look at the sides, or the handle.
Of course my suspicion is – that you have no intention of getting at the TRUTH – and as a matter of fact your intention is exactly the opposite – to OBFUSCATE the truth – because you feel very comfortable and successful
WITHOUT a God – and we are very aware of people like you.
I would love to get to the truth, I honestly would (although my intentions, and your suspicions of them, are irrelevant, btw).
Unfortunately your "theory" is garbage, as demonstrated repeatedly, and as remains unaddressed by you.
I am not obfuscating here, rather just pointing out the glaring flaws.
You are doing all the evading, ignoring, avoidance, and, yes, obfuscation, so as not to have to face up to and address those flaws.
Whether I am an atheist or a theist is also simply of no relevance, as you have claimed the "proof" to be scientific, and it is on that basis I have ripped it apart.
But I can assure you that no level of OBFUSCATION will ever prevail against a world full of people who absolutely WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE REALLY IS A GOD
Nice straw man. :rolleyes:
Of course it won't.
But your "proof" / "theory" is not going to give them the answer.
Unless they're ignorant and are just swayed by the complexity rather than what it is actually saying.
And then they'd be just as wrong as you are.
Which is no place to be for someone supposedly looking for the truth, is it.
 
God is the only fully grown invisible man to have never trod the Earth, so, that's scientific proof of him?
Well "The Son" part of him did

The Father - The Holy Spirit (Ghost before the name change) - those two, no troddy the Earth

Would you count The Father having it off with Mary as Trodding the Earth?

Or was it The Holy Spirit (Ghost) who paid Mary a visit?

:)
 
Well "The Son" part of him did

The Father - The Holy Spirit (Ghost before the name change) - those two, no troddy the Earth

Would you count The Father having it off with Mary as Trodding the Earth?

Or was it The Holy Spirit (Ghost) who paid Mary a visit?

:)
Is this a porno?
 
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