This statement: contrasts a little with this one: So, racism. I don't expect I'll receive an apology, of course.
Let me put it this way. The Crusaders came to Jerusalem and Turkey [Antiola] neither of which was their country. Not defensive. The people staying there and native to the region fought back against the invaders. Not offensive.
The citizens of the Eastern Roman Empire fight back against islamic invasion. Not offensive. Islamic armies invaded the "Holy Land" and North Africa from 630 AD onward. Offensive. The Crusaders fought to restore this region to their religion. Not offensive. Sam likens Europeans to dirty animals. Offensive.
What citizens? They did not fight back remember? Which is why the Romans called other Europeans? Or didn't you realise it was odd that the Byzantine EMPIRE needed help from European barbarians?
that is offensive in nature. Their religion never controlled the region and the first major people and religion that did that were still around in any numbers fought for the muslims. As much as bigots like you Geoff want to say that islam was spread by the sword alone it wasn't. It spread along trade routes. It probably spread as much or more by peaceful means than christianity.
It's always difficult to argue with the mad. Does one point out their madness, or is it kinder not to? All right, I have no idea what you're talking about here. The people of the Eastern Roman Empire fought against invasion. The people of the Eastern Christian lands fought against invasion from 632 onward. Again, specify. Equally, madness. Explain? If possible. As it is a response to outside aggression, it cannot possibly be. Neither had islam anything to do with it, Sam's new thesis aside. Well, Sam tells me that isn't so. She says that the Jews were never a major people, but are all Russians, and that they stole the land from the Caanites. Maybe the two of you should PM. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I have not said this. Nor am I a bigot, much as you would prefer this, little pj. Very dubious indeed. North Africa, India, Arabia, the Middle East, the Balkans, Spain, Central Africa, Persia, the Eastern Roman Empire, Sudan? That kind of peacefully? Moreover, of what value is your tu quoque here, exactly? That the Crusades were not counterattacks into invaded territory because islam was 'generally' spread 'peacefully' elsewhere? What exactly is your value to this forum? Best regards, Geoff
You should look up where the Turks are from and where the Roman empire moved its capital so that the Turks attacked them. The Roman Empire by the way, was an European invasion of other lands. That they called more Europeans to defend their occupation of the natives of a region should be considered defensive is as ludicrous as saying the Jews welcomed Stalin in Poland and so were defending the Polish people.
There was no Turkey. The Turkic ethnicity precedes modern Turkey. Saying Asia minor was Roman is like saying India was Persian and British.
Wrong. The Romans were diverse. Caucasian is the same as Indo-Aryan. Yes the Turks illegally invaded and occupied Asia minor from China and Mongolia.
Or saying the Romans were Asian as they were occupying Asia Minor. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! The Greeks and Italians are Asians? They will be surprised to hear thatPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Yes, some Greeks and Italians are caucasian. The last time I checked the Caucasus are in Asia, but the Earth is expanding so that probably changes things.
No S.A.M.. Your attempt to smear all Romans with your racist brush is historically inaccurate. Romans were from all parts of the world, which is why they had the expression all roads lead to Rome. And yes according to your obsession with racist Nazi eugenics, caucasians come from the Caucasus Mountains which are in Asia. Do you know what Asia is?
The vety fact that some people here try to defend the crusade barbarities (by blaming the victims) and some stupid ass-head here calls the prophet of Islam the first terrorist and all muslims terrorists make this a futile discussion.
